Sunday, September 14, 2014

Now Raffaele Sollecito As Well As Amanda Knox Is Using A PayPal Link To Encourage Donations

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Sollecito And Knox Paypal Accounts

Please check out the images at bottom here. As of today Knox’s PayPal account still exists.

At the same time Sollecito has created a new one as GoFundMe dropped his solicitation page. PayPal and their own Italian lawyers are likely to regard these two accounts as hot potatoes when the following implications are shared with them.

Imperiled Bank Accounts

Each PayPal account will point behind the PayPal scenes to a bank account, which as this example among many others describes can be seized by American and Italian authorities.

The Government wants the seized properties to be handed over to the authorities, and claims it’s permitted under U.S. law. This includes the bank account that was used by Megaupload for PayPal payouts. The account, described as “DSB 0320,” had a balance of roughly $4.7 million (36 million Hong Kong Dollars) at the time of the seizure, but processed more than $160 million over the years.

“Records indicate that from August 2007 through January 2012 there were 1,403 deposits into the DBS 0320 account totaling HKD 1,260,508,432.01 from a PayPal account. These funds represent proceeds of crime and property involved in money laundering as more fully set out herein,” the complaint reads.

PayPal refused to channel payments to the hacker organization Wikileaks and 14 members of the hacker group Anonymous who attempted denials of service attacks (DOS) against PayPal were charged and pleaded guilty.

Strong evidence that law enforcement will work hard to help prevent the use of PayPal for activities it considers illegal. 

How It Gets Worse For Them

Knox is already a convicted felon for life for calunnia with no further appeal possible. Under PayPal’s terms of service that by itself seems sufficient grounds to bounce her. From Paypal’s rules for Donate buttons:

Note: This button is intended for fundraising. If you are not raising money for a cause, please choose another option. Nonprofits must verify their status to withdraw donations they receive. Users that are not verified nonprofits must demonstrate how their donations will be used, once they raise more than $10,000.

Neither have publicly specified in even the least detail who will get what and why out of the funds raised by this Donate button intended for good causes (think charities).

How It Gets Worser For Them

The pitches on the Knox and Sollecito websites are essentially the same as in their two books which are both riddled with demonstrably false accusations, for which Sollecito has already been charged and for which Knox will also in due course be charged.

The charges against Sollecito are a mixture of calunnia and diffamazione, which are explained at the bottom here, and the charges against Knox are expected to be the same.

In effect then this is seemingly not only Knox and Sollecito attempting to profit from crimes, but attempting to profit from crimes based on highly fraudulent accounts of those crimes for one component of which (as pointed out above) Knox has already served three years in prison.

How It Gets Even Worser For Them

“Defense Fund” implies the money being raised is all going to their Italian lawyers. If the lawyers accept such payments as fees that could become a problem for them.

The same thing applies if any of the money raised goes to David Marriott, Ted Simon and Robert Barnett. It is now radioactive. They will presumably know this - know that they cannot profit from proceeds which are illegal under Son of Sam laws and obtained on fraudulent pretenses.

And In Fact Even Worser For Them

If Cassation dismisses the final appeal of Knox and Sollecito (for which the grounds seem very flimsy) they will each be liable for the millions in damages which Judge Massei imposed as modified by Judge Nencini.

Donations legally labeled bloodmoney cannot under any circumstances be used to pay damages. Knox and Sollecito would have to generate new funds to pay the damages awards by legal earnings or by voluntary or forced selling off of any assets.

The Bottom-Line Liabilities Here

The financial liabilities Knox and Sollecito are presently incurring for themselves include (1) payment of all fees for legal and PR help in the US and Italy; (2) the clawing back of all bloodmoney profits from their crimes; (3) the payments of millions in damages as assessed by Judges Massei and Nencini; and (4) further fines and damages that are expected to result from their two books.

Under the post below Popper posted this partial calculation for Knox; the forfeit of bloodmoney and possible future damage awards are additional.

Massei gave (and Nencini confirmed) provisional damage to father and mother of Meredith of Euro 1 million each, to brothers and sister Euro 800,000 each, to PL Euro 50,000 and to the owner of the flat Euro 10,000.

To this it must be added more for the legal costs in Appeal and Cassazione, so a total a bit short of Euro 5 million, about 6 million dollars.

VAT and CPA must be paid on all the above sums, so more than that, we probably go over USD 6 million

Together with the forfeit of bloodmoney and possible future damages imposed, this adds up to around the $10 million estimated in this post. Sollecito’s burden would be less, somewhat more than half of that. 

Explanation Of Calunnia And Diffamazione

The charge of calunnia (art. 368) has been commonly translated as “slander” in the English/US media. This translation is incorrect, however, as calunnia is a crime with no direct equivalent in the respective legal systems.

The equivalent of “criminal slander” is diffamazione, which is an attack on someone’s reputation. Calunnia is the crime of making false criminal accusations against someone whom the accuser knows to be innocent, or to simulate/fabricate false evidence, independently of the credibility/admissibility of the accusation or evidence.

The charges of calunnia and diffamazione are subject to very different jurisprudence. Diffamazione is public and explicit, and is a more minor offence, usually resulting in a fine and only prosecuted if the victim files a complaint, while calunnia can be secret or known only to the authorities. It may consist only of the simulation of clues, and is automatically prosecuted by the judiciary.

The crimes of calunnia and diffamazione are located in different sections of the criminal code: while diffamazione is in the chapter entitled “crimes against honour” in the section of the Code protecting personal liberties, calunnia is discussed in the chapter entitled “crimes against the administration of justice”, in a section that protects public powers.

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Goodness knife-boy looks spoilt, arrogant and definitely demented in the picture at top. It’s in the eyes. AK looks as AK always looks. Definitely a screw or too loose in both cases.

Posted by Odysseus on 09/14/14 at 05:01 PM | #

Excellent post Pete. Thank you very much. For those who want to help, if you have not yet signed up for paypal, you can do so for free right here:

You will have to verify your email address. Then you will have to put in a bank account number and then get a small free deposit from paypal. Then you have to verify that deposit amount. It will be small and you can keep it and then you are signed up and ready to go.

After that go back to this url here:

Click “email” and then when the email box comes up, select “Report Fraud/Prohibit Use”. As a subtopic select “Report prohibited items being sold using PayPal”.

In the URL (web address) of the site selling the items (optional) put in, then in the message box type in something like this:

“Please ban the “Amanda Legal Defense Trust” from PayPal as it is supporting a convicted murderer named Amanda Marie Knox. Recently the site banned her co-defendant Raffaele Sollecito from its services so I think that Paypal should do the same for Amanda Knox. Thank you.”

Or just copy and paste the above and then send it. You have to do the email as quickly as possible because the system will automatically log you out if you take too long. Repeat the above on a daily basis if you can, but don’t overdo it. Once a day should be enough. Do the same for Raffaele Sollecito as well. His website is Let’s really do this. Thank you again.

Posted by Johnny Yen on 09/14/14 at 05:05 PM | #

Another option is to email directly to PayPal CEO David Marcus at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) Yet another option it to call PayPal on the phone at 1-888-221-1161 or at 1-402-935-2050 (if calling from outside the U.S.). Thank you.

Posted by Johnny Yen on 09/14/14 at 05:27 PM | #

In case the spelling/grammar police are out on patrol, make that “a screw or two loose” in my post above 😊

Posted by Odysseus on 09/14/14 at 06:56 PM | #

No worries, Odysseus, “a screw too loose” also works for these effers.

Posted by Bjorn on 09/14/14 at 08:16 PM | #

It didn’t take Raf long to jump over to PayPal. The saga goes on. He and Knox sound like the TV show “American Greed”.

OT: Peter’s recent account of a flight from LA to Sydney had synchronicity in today’s sermon. Our pastor told of a bad scare he got after flying from LA to Sydney on a church planting mission.

He overworked with jet lag, extra travel, little sleep, then was asked by some brothers to play golf. It was fun with kangaroos on the green and smiles.

Then in the middle of nowhere he experienced heart attack symptoms. Death felt imminent. He freaked out. The Australian doctor told him his heart was strong, it was merely a panic attack, his body’s wakeup call to slow down.

So today he taught on peace, Sabbath rest, entering into God’s rest and the Psalms and Proverbs that say don’t try to crowd too much into one lifetime in too many directions.

Posted by Hopeful on 09/15/14 at 01:29 AM | #

Any bets on whether Doanld Trump is having conniptions? There are constant rumors (surely false) that a certain money trail leads back to him.

We posted on him here and it is possible that he (like so many others) has put Knox behind him and moved on. If so it would be good to hear why.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 09/15/14 at 03:58 AM | #

I just found out that David Marcus recently left Paypal. But I also just found many phone numbers, email addresses and mailing addresses for paypal here:

I’ve written to some of the email addresses. Some work but others don’t.

Posted by Johnny Yen on 09/15/14 at 05:27 PM | #

Source of the ongoing harassment of the Kerchers revealed

Posted by Ergon on 09/16/14 at 05:19 AM | #

Hello everyone. its been a while since i posted on your wonderful site. I regularly visit though. Could someone update me on upcoming events/ court dates etc

keep up the excellent efforts people….

PS As another individual gets away with 1st degree premeditated murder in South Africa, it reminded me of the evilness that can be shown by human beings to each other. Moreover the lies people will tell to evade justice make me shake my head in disbelief.

i dont know who win the ‘best liar in the world’ trophy Solecitto/Knox or Pistorias.

Posted by mollythecat on 09/16/14 at 10:09 AM | #


Re “the source” - what a fool he is.

He seems to refer to the BBC as “Aunt Sally” at one point, presumably picking up (in knuckle-head fashion) on the affectionate (mostly) “Auntie” nickname for the BBC in Britain.

Someone should tell him that, ironically,  an “Aunt Sally” in English is “a person or thing that is subjected to much criticism, especially one set up as an easy target for it.” LOL. And yet this moron seems to genuinely wonder why the Beeb would studiously ignore his pathetic conspiracy theory!

Posted by Odysseus on 09/16/14 at 10:20 AM | #

@Odysseus, I wholeheartedly agree that Sollecito’s appearance is ‘off’ in this photo.  He would fit right in as one of the Manson girls!

Posted by MHILL4 on 09/16/14 at 11:45 AM | #


Indeed, good match. That would mean that the role of Manson is taken by, err, ...

Posted by Odysseus on 09/16/14 at 03:36 PM | #

Ergon’s link led me to PMFs and Tiziano linked to Raf’s fundraising site. “Help Raffaele against this injustice” it says, and “The Long Path Through Injustice” as headers. His goal is to raise 500,000 Euros. His clock says 351 days left, so I assume gives him a year to use the site. So far the site lists zero donations.

On the YouCaring site Raf lashes out in his typical muted generalities that he is fighting against the arrogance of those in power who do not care. Their proud arrogance is his enemy and he claims not to have enough money for his defense. “Thank you for your cooperation” he tells potential donors.

As you view his site, to the right side you’ll see a small checkerboard of 8 photos Raf (or his rep?) has posted.

Most are single head shots of himself, two are with his lawyer in her black robes in court (Bongiorno) but one seemed odd. It’s a photo of the giant columned doorway into University for Strangers. But Raffaele didn’t attend that school, am I correct? He attended University of Perugia. The “Strangers” (Foreigners) school is where Amanda was enrolled. Anyway, this photo which is the only photo of a place among all the pictures of himself, depicts 3 supposed students in front of the building’s open doorway. Two are male and one female all in front of the school.

To me they symbolize Rudy going into the place which is after all for foreigners, Amanda following him since she’s a foreigner and then there’s the one guy leaning against the outside wall who might symbolize Raf. He wears glasses, looks a bit older than the other two, has his hand reaching deep inside his jacket like the famous portrait of Napoleon. Under his left arm he clutches a seeming laptop. He’s looking in a different direction from the other two figures in a pose as if to stand guard.

The photo includes three cement posts sticking up out of the sidewalk, and a classic yellow painted stoplight with the 3 hooded lights, one for green, red, and yellow.

Artistic license to analyse this photo says Raf always had 3 very significant people in his life: his dad, mom, sister. During the crime it was Meredith, Rudy, Amanda. Three people. Is that why this photo is in there, sort of mutely suggesting the crime near the school?

Why would he post a photo of Amanda’s University on his fundraising website, when recently he claimed he was separating his defense from her but silly Knox went on Chris Cuomo interview to say “me and Raffaele are fighting together”. Knox: “I’m fighting for my innocence.”

Non sequitur, but Edda was a school teacher and Mignini’s dad was a school teacher who taught shorthand.

New topic:

On Statement Analysis BlogSpot site it said in a comment posted July 11, 2014 by Lemon, 10:45 pm:

“PayPal to Refund Donors who Gave to Ross Harris”

(Ross Harris is the guy whose toddler son died from heat inside the locked car in Marietta, Georgia this summer 2014. His wife Leanna Harris and Justin Ross Harris are being investigated if it was malicious intent or pure accident.)

“PayPal spokeswoman Adriana Higuera tells the Associated Press the company will soon be issuing refunds to customers who used PayPal to donate to the campaign at, where a total of more than $22,000 was given (to the Justin Harris fund for his baby’s death). is where Raf is now soliciting $$ for his defense fund. But they cut off Ross Harris.

Posted by Hopeful on 09/16/14 at 06:31 PM | #


I’m afraid Knox will have to be Manson.  A brutal hair cut and facial hair should do the trick!

Posted by MHILL4 on 09/16/14 at 06:58 PM | #


It’s the quiet before the storm at the moment,  awaiting the Supreme Court decision, with everyone treading water and transferring their interest to the OP case. Chacun à son goût. Personally this one case is quite enough for me.

Posted by Odysseus on 09/16/14 at 07:01 PM | #

Raffaele Sollecito has a new fundraiser site out.

“I once was lost
Now I’m funded”?

1 tweet, 35 shares on Facebook, 0 Euros collected so far.

According to this site:;-1

“YouCaring is a free fundraising website, created for individuals wanting to raise funds for medical expenses, tuition assistance, adoption fundraising, and funding for mission trips.”

Posted by Ergon on 09/16/14 at 10:53 PM | #


Sollecito now has 85.00 euros so I have contacted YouCaring to try and have him banned.  I mentioned Son of Sam laws and the fact that GoFundMe had seen fit to do so.  Hopefully this will have an effect, especially if more of us could do so.

Posted by MHILL4 on 09/17/14 at 03:19 PM | #


I’ve also protested to YouCaring.

Here’s the link to send a message if anyone else wants to protest:

(I inserted in the “Fundraiser URL field”)

Posted by Odysseus on 09/17/14 at 08:02 PM | #

OK done and done. I don’t suppose there is anyway to confirm that. Just for your info though if you want to phone the Mellas’s (Edda and Curt) The phone number and address are available upon request. Plus Elizabeth Huff same thing. Cheers and thanks for all the info. Knox herself is allusive of course but never mind, patience is the key of course. Plus it occurred to me that Steve Moore having a pilots license and little else could conceivably ferry Knox South after the final guilty verdict.

Posted by Grahame Rhodes on 09/18/14 at 12:34 AM | #

@Grahame Rhodes

The only addresses we will need will be that of Seatac and whichever Italian prison she ends up in! 😊

Posted by MHILL4 on 09/18/14 at 11:05 AM | #

YouCaring have responded that they have ‘taken action’.  I presume this means that they have withdrawn his begging page, however, having just done a search on their site I see a new page has been set up for him by ‘Mary Tammy I Thompson’.  I have complained about this also:

Posted by MHILL4 on 09/18/14 at 03:36 PM | #


Thanks - I’ve just complained as well, saying

“Raffaele Sollecito is currently convicted of murder and will shortly be sent to prison by the Supreme Court in Italy. YouCaring are still taking a risk that they will be charged with helping a criminal profit from his crime.

YouCaring have already deleted Sollecito’s own page in the last day or two in response to complaints, don’t let his shady friends ( in this case the organizer “Mary Tammy I Thompson” ) get round your rules by setting up their own pages. You will still be liable in law for helping Sollecito to profit.”

In the “Fundraiser URL” field I put

Posted by Odysseus on 09/18/14 at 06:14 PM | #


Brilliant 😊))

I had another confirmation that this has been seen to so hopefully knife boy will start to get the message now!

Posted by MHILL4 on 09/18/14 at 09:26 PM | #

All mention of Sollecito has now disappeared from GoFundMe!!!

Posted by MHILL4 on 09/18/14 at 10:43 PM | #

Great work all! Raffaele Sollecito’s link to his youcaring page now goes to the top front page of the youcaring site, which means that he has been banned! Check it out:

If you go to his site, you will notice that he also has removed his PayPal button so that means they banned him too! Great work! But we still have to complain some more to PayPal to get AK banned. You can sign up and do so here:

or here is another page with several PayPal email addresses and phone numbers. Some of the email addresses work, others do not:

With a little more effort, I think that we can get her banned or at least have her account frozen. Please help if you can. Thank you again.

Posted by Johnny Yen on 09/18/14 at 11:50 PM | #

Update: RS set up a new YouCaring account here:

He is still gone from paypal as no button his site. Contact YouCaring at

Posted by Johnny Yen on 09/19/14 at 03:54 AM | #

Just got an email from youcaring and this problem has been solved. RS’s new account has been removed again. Thank you.

Posted by Johnny Yen on 09/19/14 at 04:12 AM | #

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