Friday, January 31, 2014

Appeal Session #10 Images: The Attorney General Of Tuscany Dr Tindari Baglione Breaks The News

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This help with translation happened right after Judge Nencini finished reading the verdict and sentences yesterday

Below: images of Lyle and Stephanie earlier in the long tense day



OK Now the story really starts.

There is just one little wrinkle that I observed and that is the simple fact of Edward Snowden. Point being that the US wants Snowden extradited in the worst way and negotiations have been going forward towards that end. Obviously if, for what ever reason, the US tries to stop or delay the extradition of Knox then Russia can point to that as an extenuating circumstance. Best of luck. Knox, in her interview said the “News hit her like a train” Obviously she is so dumb that she believes her own P/R. This goes on of course. Happy 30th though in so many quarters, not so happy in others. Thank you as always Peter and everyone else

Posted by Grahame Rhodes on 01/31/14 at 09:09 PM | #

Hi Graham.

Spot-on. Knox moved from one bubble (Capanne) to another bubble (the conspiracists) without any chance at respite in the real world. She was being told she could walk on water and all those amazing talents would buoy her up.

SeekingUnderstanding wrote to me about what is probably going on in her mind. She has put way too much trust in those who did not and cannot deliver, at least for her, and she is probably extremely angry and scared.

I’d suggest she cut all possible connections and bite the bullet and go back and make nice. Italy is forgiving and she’d actually be in the healthiest zone there.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 01/31/14 at 09:52 PM | #

You’re right Peter I remember when she was in once inside and for the first time in her life she was in a controlled atmosphere. Control, even those restrains placed upon people by the society in which we live, is something she has no experience with. Her lawyer of course keeps on repeating that there is no evidence but just keeps on parroting the usual nonsense. What do you think of the time line? A year, eighteen months perhaps. The longer she waits the more difficult it will be because the sentence will not get any shorter with the passage of years. My My It’s a good day.

Posted by Grahame Rhodes on 01/31/14 at 10:09 PM | #

I do agree Pete.
It may seem the most improbable suggestion to her, but if she could possibly just give in and go back, she might be amazed at the security and perhaps a degree of protection it would provide, and the relief she might feel.

The Florence court yesterday set the tone of the seriousness and calm that is needed, now more than ever.

Not forgetting Sollecito too. He seems to be realizing that his life is drastically affected anyway - of course. The truth cannot be evaded for ever.

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 01/31/14 at 10:14 PM | #

Last night I watched ‘The Lying Game, The crimes that fooled Britain’.

‘Experts look with fresh eyes at some of the most notorious criminal cases in which the perpetrator has appeared in front of the cameras with sham displays of grief’.

I think it was Hopeful who posted something similar in the past but it was quite apt, especially after yesterdays events and the consequent ‘statement’ that spewed out of AKs mouth (no doubt prepared in advance by the PR mob).

The programme analysed micro expressions from some of Britain’s most notorious criminals including Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr, exposing their lies through facial and body movements, a fascinating watch, many of the criminals having same traits and mannerisms as AK & RS.
Only on Series 1, Epsiode 1, so I’m sure we will be seeing bad hair day and runaway boy on there in the near future.

Posted by Urbanist on 01/31/14 at 10:46 PM | #

hi.. i just read this online .. can anyone explain what does it mean ?..

Kercher’s siblings held a brief press conference in Florence before flying back to London to wait, perhaps another year, for Italy’s high court to finalize—or reverse—the conviction.  They could uphold the conviction and order Knox and Sollecito to begin serving their sentences, or they could send it back to a new appellate court for yet another trial. 

one more trial ?

Posted by sikandar on 01/31/14 at 11:28 PM | #

The only “one more trial” will be the final one at Cassazione, next year.

Posted by Ergon on 02/01/14 at 12:48 AM | #

I expect a concise, elegantly written motivations report from Judge Nencini. Having read the other translated ones (with notable exception Helmann’s) am duly impressed with the Italian legal system.

And, reading Rudy Guede’s final sentencing report was when I had an epiphany about exactly how this case would go.

Posted by Ergon on 02/01/14 at 12:54 AM | #

Very pleased the tide in support of AK is definitely turning. Daily Mail have just referred to her recent interview on abc as nothing more than a stunt, with the interviewer as fawning.

“Although she played the helpless and isolated victim, Knox is in fact surrounded by a team of image handlers who timed the chat – along with similarly sympathetic interviews with the Guardian and BBC Newsnight – for maximum effect.”

Posted by Spencer on 02/01/14 at 01:07 AM | #

Beautiful family. Classy. God’s love to you.  Meredith is enveloped in love-from all around the globe.  Blessings.

Posted by mylady007 on 02/01/14 at 02:19 AM | #

I can’t believe that her first interview already took place at good old unbiased ABC.  How can they even call themselves reporters?  Holding her hand etc?  She’s been found guilty of a torturous murder, how can they do that?  It’s just sick.  Her looks and an American vs. Italy public opinion has completely swayed the American media who have promoted this ‘wronged innocent girl’ image.  Or else they just do these things for their ratings.  What if their own daughter / sister/ child had been murdered in this way?  Would they be so fawning then?

Posted by believing on 02/01/14 at 02:37 AM | #

Did you read that Sollecito was stopped by police ‘at an Italian border town’.  Making his way to Switzerland??

Posted by believing on 02/01/14 at 02:38 AM | #

I’m American myself and I can’t stand to read or watch ABC or CNN news on this case.

Posted by believing on 02/01/14 at 02:39 AM | #

Interesting details:  Does Slovenia have any kind of non-extradition situation with Italy?

Earlier Friday, Italian authorities stopped Sollecito near the border with Austria and Slovenia, Italian police told CNN.
Sollecito, who is not allowed to leave Italy while the legal process continues, was halted in the northern Italian town of Udine, police said.
The Slovenian border is less than 20 miles east of Udine, and the border with Austria lies about 55 miles to the north.
Sollecito’s lawyer, Luca Maori, said his client was indeed in Udine with his girlfriend. They were driving to the town of Treviso, where his girlfriend lives, and because of the snow had to stop, the lawyer said.
Maori told CNN it was not Sollecito’s intent to flee the country.

Posted by believing on 02/01/14 at 02:48 AM | #

The interesting thing is that Udine Italy is closer to the border than Treviso, so they were driving in the wrong direction…...see maps. 

Nice try at an explanation Raphael.

Posted by believing on 02/01/14 at 02:50 AM | #

Hi believing,

It was the border town of Tarvisio he was caught near, not Traviso.

Posted by Spencer on 02/01/14 at 02:58 AM | #

It say Udine was where he was halted in the article, but that they were driving ‘to’ Treviso.  That’s what was written in the CNN article, not that it is necessarily correct.

Posted by believing on 02/01/14 at 05:05 AM | #

Posted by believing on 02/01/14 at 05:06 AM | #

Better information in this article with many photos.  He knew that he would have to surrender his passport and stay in Italy and yet decided to hop over to Austria the day of the verdict?

Posted by believing on 02/01/14 at 05:14 AM | #

Police officer did not believe him. 
Girlfriend’s family comes from South America.

Posted by believing on 02/01/14 at 05:50 AM | #


Posted by True North on 02/01/14 at 05:58 AM | #

Slovenia is a EU member country, so I find it very difficult to believe that Sollecito could seek refuge there.  Even if he can still travel a fair way within the EU without encountering a border check, his long-term prospects here are extremely limited. 

I don’t think he can enter Russia or Ukraine without a passport and/or visa and other possibilities are extremely complicated and dangerous. 

He could technically pay a smuggler to get him into a Middle Eastern country, by boat or via Turkey, but I just don’t see Sollecito crossing mountains on foot in the dead of winter.  It also doesn’t seem like they have any Middle Eastern connections, or he might have explored them prior to the verdict. 

On a different note, I think SeekingUnderstanding is absolutely correct, and I think that the desperate attempts to get these two acquitted have only managed to ruin any chance they might have had at a normal life. 

Had they chosen the fast-track option like Guede and assuming good behavior in prison, they could have been out on parole in their early 30s.  Guede wasn’t even required to confess for the sentence reduction, so they could have gone on pretending they were innocent if it made them and their families feel better about it.

Sollecito, in particular, could have had a cushier life than most people, given his family’s connections and financial means.  A small fraction of the money they spent on legal fees and various underhanded shenanigans could have financed a small business.  Between that and his own real-estate income, he probably wouldn’t have had to work terribly hard to live comfortably.

Knox, I don’t know, maybe one of the people who’ve been white-knighting for her could have given her a quiet office job with benefits.  That would have probably done more for her in the long-term than the circus they created for her.

If this entire masquerade had been engineered by the dynamic duo, I think it would have been easier to understand.  After all, neither of them has shown evidence of sound judgment.  The fact that it was envisioned and financed by those who were supposed to be the responsible adults in their lives makes this almost unbelievable.  I understand what they were trying to accomplish, but the reality is that no one has benefited from this, other than the third-parties who unscrupulously lined their pockets.

I’m not a particularly spiritual or superstitious person, but this has unfolded almost like a Greek tragedy. A lot of people will be paying for Meredith’s death with their own broken lives and maybe some of them don’t even know it yet.  Maybe it’s not nice of me to say this, but I hope that everything they try to build on this foundation crumbles in the end.

Posted by Vivianna on 02/01/14 at 09:03 AM | #


I am really interested to know, that why, after two guilty verdicts he has not been sent to prison? Where else would you be allowed to wander free after being convicted of murder twice! Especially as he is such a flight risk.. It isn’t difficult to get a false passport and papers especially with their connections now is it..

I personally feel this is rather stupid, with him sat in prison with AK still walking around free, he may have felt differently about talking! Why, as well, is there not an arrest warrant out for AK, this makes no sense to me but then maybe someone could clarify it for me :/

Posted by distemper on 02/01/14 at 10:26 AM | #

In an interview with Guardian before the verdicts, Knox said she was a “marked person”:
“I am a marked person, and no one who is unmarked is going to understand that.
I don’t even know what my place is any more, what is my role in society. Who am I after this, after everyone has branded me, who am I?”

I am sorry Amanda, I have to break the news for you; now you are officially a murderer or rather a murderess and you don’t have a place in any society before you go to jail and spend the time there according to the verdict. It would help you, your family and the whole society if you admit your role in MK’s killing and ask for forgiveness.

RIP Meredith.

Posted by Hungarian. on 02/01/14 at 10:33 AM | #

It is true, what you have written. It has unfolded like a Greek tragedy, and it will unravel like one too. It is full also of ‘self un-doing’. Further tragedy has been created where it need not have been.
I think this is why Judge Nencini was so grave on Thursday, and the court somber with quietness.

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 02/01/14 at 10:43 AM | #

I heard the news of the guilty verdict on RFI (Radio France International) yesterday morning, and their reporting wasn’t too unaccurate, except that they kept refering to Knox and Sollecito as ex-fiances - for all I know, both murderers had only met each other the week prior to Meredith’s cruel murder ?

I’m happy for the Kercher family. I think it’s good for society, that these two criminals are known for what they have done. I hope they are either imprisonned in a near future, or will be held to constant suspicion so that they can’t murder anybody else, unlike what Joran van der Sloot did.

As for their self-pity on “having no life”, maybe they should remember that their victim has had hers cut short in an horrible way, although she was truly innocent of anything.

But I’m sure that inside, they still can’t understand the injustice of Meredith’s murder.

Posted by Sylviane on 02/01/14 at 11:14 AM | #

Jan Moir has written a good article about Amanda Knox’s appearances in the media for The Daily Mail:

David Marriott’s day is getting worse.

Posted by The Machine on 02/01/14 at 03:07 PM | #

Have you seen this article running today on CNN?

The way its written, it sounds like when Amanda got to the house (per her saying she wasn’t there that night) she couldn’t even get IN the house. It says nothing about the extensive evidence of the staged breakin, cleanup that Rudy couldn’t / wouldn’t have done, mixed blood of Amanda and Rafaelle. It incorrectly says that all the footprints were found to be Rudys. How does this even get published?

It’s no wonder that people believe Amanda is innocent when they read only articles like these, which are misleading entirely from beginning to end.

Posted by aj1880 on 02/01/14 at 03:16 PM | #

Meant to say mixed blood of Amanda and Meredith.

Posted by aj1880 on 02/01/14 at 03:17 PM | #

Latest behind the scenes report from journalist Andrea Vogt.

HEADLINE: Amanda and Raffaele: The Judge Speaks

HEADLINE: “I have children as too; it was a huge burden.”

HEADLINE: ” The defence had asked to separate the positions of the two accused, but Raffaele would not allow himself too be questioned.”

Posted by True North on 02/01/14 at 03:43 PM | #

Jan Moir eviscerates actress Knox in today’s Daily Mail (Feb. 1, 2014). Great insights into the wily pretender. See the link right above at comment by The Machine.

The Daily Mail headlines “The Ice Maiden” as she was called by the prison guard, contrasted with the warm weeping woman of noble suffering as she wants to be seen today.

Sharon Feinstein did a superb interview with Angela Antonietti the Capanne prison guard who said Knox sang and danced during the day and slept like a baby at night and cared for nobody in the prison except her mom’s delivery of new Harry Potter books. Antonietti said even the prison doctors didn’t understand her.

Well, we do. It was steely bravado and determination to clam up and not leak one word to any cellmate who could potentially rat. She knew what was good for La Knox and finally learned to shut her mouth and await the family juggernaut to pay her lawyers to get her out.

This cold demeanor and lone wolf stance in Capanne she was able to maintain just barely long enough to get out on Hellman’s acquittal. But we know she wrote later of considering suicide by several means and how unendurable it really was. Now she becomes weepy at the remembrance of her sufferings in Capanne, sufferings she was at great pains to disguise from the world and the prison.

She wanted from the start to be seen as a backbone of steel and Miss Itrepid, (perhaps tried to prove that to Meredith who was much stronger than Knox, as Meredith’s courage was no pretense). Knox acted controlled once in prison as if suddenly above all the riff-raff around her, many of whom had probably never murdered a soul.

Now she’s got the camel trench coat and the blue beret. The beret is to pull down over her face at first sign of paparazzi. The short hair is to declare no-nonsense. Her former long locks to entice a male are not needed, she is focused elsewhere. James is probably just a cover up, like the decoy they used to whisk Knox out of her front door after the newest guilty verdict. Deanna helped with that ruse, the faithful Madison Paxton, too.

The whole family is sly as foxes. Ice Maiden is like her father the “lead by example” Curt Knox, she’s trying to emulate Daddy and shut down the emotions which then explode in rage. Edda and Curt—both extremes. Edda never stops emoting and Curt is afraid to reveal anything. Edda is not. Could her blue blouse be any tighter as she exits house to meet TV cameras? Edda never met a low-cut top she didn’t like. Knox is on a roller coaster between them. David Marriott needed to be a boxing manager. Where’s Evander Hollifield and Mike Tyson?

Posted by Hopeful on 02/01/14 at 04:09 PM | #

Nick Allen from The Telegraph thinks Knox might be detained in prison during an extradition battle:

Amanda Knox could face detention in tough US jail

Posted by The Machine on 02/01/14 at 05:22 PM | #

I have just seen the Telegraph article referred to in Nick Allen’s article above.  In light of this, I hope the Italians are able to get their extradition paperwork together as soon as possible.

Posted by MHILL4 on 02/02/14 at 04:32 AM | #

First time I’ve heard so much about the acting job done for the TV cameras as in the Daily Mail article.  I have to say that Knox looks worse for the wear lately - she is becoming scary thin and her clothes are just swimming on her.  By the way, her clothing is pretty typical of Seattle’s laid-back style.  Sort of a hippie element there when I visited at least.  My impression of Amanda Knox is a girl with a will of steel, who likes the limelight, like her father Curt Knox.  I really do think she believes her own stories now as that fiction has been repeated daily by the crew surrounding her.  I actually feel sorry for Edda.  Her clothes may be unbecoming, but I think it is due to gaining weight during this ordeal and she has tried her emotional best to support her daughter and family with a fixation on what must be true as the other side is just too awful to contemplate.  I don’t know if she is the sharpest chip off the block but she does seem to care deeply about her family.  I do wonder what will come next.  It sounds like the defense would have separated the two but Raphael refused to be cross-examined.  That indicates to me that he was more involved in the crime rather than just the cover-up. I think he was on his way out of the country the other day, perhaps to South America, but either did not make it or changed his mind.  Nothing else makes sense.  A mini-vacation on the day he was waiting to hear the verdict?  Getting away from the media in Austria?  It was interesting to read the interview with Judge Nencini.  He makes it clear that they all read all of the reports and evidence once again.  It seemed to me that he said they even re-interviewed some of the witnesses?  Or else just re-examined all of their testimonies.  I wish the American media would read this balanced and thoughtful article. 

Has anyone tried to tweet Robyn Roberts and Good Morning America people?  It is really hard to listen to these ABC reports.  “Reversal of fortunes”

Posted by believing on 02/02/14 at 06:40 AM | #

I’ve always thought that a person who proclaims innocence and then refuses to be questioned in court actually speaks volumes.

Posted by DF2K on 02/02/14 at 08:47 AM | #
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