Monday, October 19, 2020

Many Hundreds Of Posts On Italian Social Media Now Directly Accuse Sollecito Of Murder

Posted by Peter Quennell

Sollecito lies further. (YouTube subtitles are now auto-translatable.)

Long post. Click here to go straight to Comments.


New Facebook And Twitter Developments

This is “part deux” of last monday’s post, reporting that Sollecito’s suit against 20 magistrates had bombed out.

You may recall that this was a real sleeper, two and a half years in the making.

The suit against 20 magistrates (under a strange new Berlusconi-era law) was filed in mid 2017 in the Genoa courts after the Supreme Court failed (in blistering language) Sollecito’s final appeal for damages for “wrongful incarceration”.

This judgment comes at a time when the Italian economy is hard-hit due to COVID and many are wondering how to pay their own monthly bills.

Sollecito’s attempt to get Italian taxpayers to fork up for his E1.2 million in legal debts has resulted in a wave of rage, ridicule, and accusations of RS and Knox being the cause of Meredith’s murder.

You can see many in the 500-plus Facebook comments translated and posted below. Our main poster Machiavelli kindly pointed us to that Facebook thread, one of several.

This one is truly enormous: these 500-plus comments are just a small part of the huge whole. These are only those posted last thursday and friday. Even so, they amount to 100 pages in Word Docx format, not counting the numerous Reply subthreads.

Italian anger was especially inflamed by Sollecito’s tin-eared announcement that he would be appealing the Genoa verdict.

With what lawyers? Bongiorno and Maori did not take on his Florence diffamazione trial as he had such weak prospects (Sollecito lost that too).

And with what funding? He’s mortgaged up the gazoo, and has probably cleaned out even his own dad.

Among good lawyers, the 2017 suit (believed urged by Bongiorno) was hubristic and harebrained, and any appeal is considered to have zero prospects.

SOME OF THE FACEBOOK COMMENTS LAST THURSDAY AND FRIDAY

(We will move these to an Acrobat format when this post phases out.)

Bernardini
What justice does not do, life does.
171 - Like - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:21 PM
Paola Bernardini replied - 39 replies

Domenico Ilacqua
I think the only thing you need to do is pray: pray for what you did in competition with others, pray for Meredith, and especially for the judges who “judged” you. The money your father put in did their job. The justice of men has absolved you, still waiting for Divine justice, it will come sure.
80 - Like - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:40 PM
Simone Militi replied - 9 replies

Andrea Atti
I still don’t understand how between him, Knox and Guede only the poor black man was condemned for COMPETITION IN HOMICIDE.
Condemned only him in “COMPETITION”, it already makes you laugh like that!
94 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:29 PM
Alberto Diamante replied - 33 replies

Ilia Scotto
And you have to stay on the broke….. because of what you have done. You have been absolved now the state will give it to you, but you will always remain one  
Edited - 94 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:49 PM
Massimiliano Vetusti replied - 23 replies

Emanuela Cambuli
Raffaele with that money you bought your innocence, Rudy didn’t have it, he’s black and he’s still in jail. 
71 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:56 AM
Alberto Diamante replied - 4

Gianluca Bianchi
The drama in this sad story is unfortunately for poor Meredith Kercher and her family, no one else’s but their own.
61 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 4:05 PM

Patrizia Sardo
And you and your friend destroyed a girl’s life…only your little friend got it better than you!
53 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:14 PM
Gabriella Giacchi replied - 34

Patrizia Maglicchetti
Walk to work’ that you are old enough!
51 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:09 PM
Alberto Diamante replied - 6

Carlo Londi
Lucky you, I to make a credit of €800, I had to ask permission to the European Central Bank.
44 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:17 PM
Carlo Londi replied - 7

Ermanno Gentili
Dear sollecito everyone knows your story so everyone knows it guilty or innocent only you know it ok? You ask for compensation ok!!!! Now I tell you my….. 6 years ago I was riding my bike with a friend of mine, a car coming out of a side road (near Genazzano via Prenestina vecchia) hit me right in the middle of the road and left me on the asphalt, not only did my friend run away and tried to get out of the road but he didn’t make it in time to get the license plate. .... I’ve been in a wheelchair for 6 years with a prognosis c 2-c3 medullar…. I’m looking forward to the compensation of the victims of the road in the hope that I don’t die…. so don’t complain especially that your youth has some dark side
40 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 3:44 AM

Sebastian Rats
Super lawyers then go super paid, didn’t you know that?
42 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:08 PM

Monique Agneau
The real drama is lived by the family of that poor girl who was killed.
46 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:29 PM

Michaela Di Vello
I’d say reopen the trial, so you won’t have any money problems in the cooler. I never believed in your innocence.
35 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:44 PM
Rosario Giambona replied - 10

Silvia Cavallaro
Karma is a strange phenomenon: it always finds a way to make you pay the bill.
Often the justice of men fails, he doesn’t!
25 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 1:02 AM

Alberto Pardini
1.2 million debts are made by those who claim to have a standard of living above their possibilities, so “badly wanted is never too much”. And let’s also put “karma”, which sometimes seems to work.
25 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 11:23 AM
Mary Bar replied - 1

Fiorella Tedeschi
The historical Nemesis always takes its course and arrives where human justice fails!
23 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:41 PM
Fiorella Tedeschi replied - 2

Marco Delledonne
Let us remember that he was not found innocent by justice but previous trials were considered null and void due to the investigation.
22 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:37 PM

Fabrizio Sangiorgi
The drama is ours that we have yet to hear the complaints of a useless. Let’s take care and deal with more serious problems
24 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:20 PM
Sabrina Lombardi replied - 6

Antonio Deidda
you know dear Sollecito, I think you’ve done well again…......... the money, it comes and goes. But the poor girl’s life is not, she won’t come back anymore…............. I just hope you can suffer more than her parents.
43 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:31 PM
Antonio Deidda replied - 14

Toni Moore
Thank goodness you came out clean even though you didn’t deserve it!!! The only one who has lost out was Meredith!!! Get yourself a little bit of a scene on TV so that you can collect a little money, even if I find it shameful that you are hosted in programs to cry misery! Go to work
27 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 8:01 PM

Adriana Polatti
I don’t usually use vulgar expressions, but this time I really have to say that I don’t give a c….!
19 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:18 PM

Catia Fabiani
You are in good company with many others who go hungry.
21 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:21 PM
Bianca Iori replied - 4 replies

Giovanna Benini
Just think, Meredith no longer has the most important thing, life, thanks to you and your accomplice…
17 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:51 PM
Oifla Icificap replied - 10

Cristina Patalini
I feel no pity
22 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:09 PM

Simone Zack Zaccherini
Because you had an image as well as a “too good” lawyer…? I remember that there is someone who is serving a sentence for “conspiracy” in murder…
15 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 5:22 AM

Roberto Zucchi
I remind everyone, even if I do not Likes Sollecito particularly much, that justice has proclaimed him innocent, so spare yourself many idiotic comments, such as those on divine justice, that everyone knows that there is no divinity except in the fervent imagination of some superstitious
22 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 4:26 PM
Rosita Boots replied - 12

Lucia Abbondandolo
Your girlfriend got better…she screwed you too.
21 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:10 PM
Giuseppe Verderese replied - 1

Lio Francesco
You did well…....... better on the coffin than in jail…........ forgot to say hello to your friend AMANDA
15 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:01 PM

Onofrio Dispenza
Someone, because of you and that other one, ended up under two palms of earth. There are worse things, believe me.
15 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:29 PM
Maurizio Riggi replied - 1

Moreno Corriero
You had to be somewhere else with the American,!!!!!
15 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:48 PM

Salvatore de Filippo
But how did you manage to make 1.2 million of debt that the bank for 10,000 thousand claimed almost a kidney from me.
14 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 5:10 AM
Alberto Diamante replied - 1

Ariadne Cleat
You could have told the truth…and served your sentence together with your little American friend…
15 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:31 PM
Alessandro Minelli replied - 13

Stefania Gugnali
Who knows why but I do not mind a little bit .... even too much grace has had…
13 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:17 PM
Alberto Diamante replied - 2

Roberto Pastore
But poor puppy…
Who knows what you have done wrong to be punished in this way by the universe… 
12 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:46 PM

Giuseppe Colapietro
With all the money you had to give Rudy Guede to keep his mouth shut I think you’ve gone broke. And I hope you will stay there
11 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:57 AM
Vincenzo Taddei replied - 1

Maurizio Marcianò
Be careful that in a while you will receive several acts of “solicitation”.
Edited - 12 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:21 PM

Maria Grazia Patacca
The drama of Sollecito? And what is that of Meridith’s parents? In this whole story my thoughts go only and always to you and your famiglia❤.
15 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:38 AM

Rosary Paradise
While Meredith is in the ground.
12 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:57 PM
Paolo Mansutti replied - 2

Claudio Santini
You had to stay in jail for life you are saved that your father is rich e…..
11 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:35 AM

Alessandro Schirone
You were doing a few years in jail…which in my opinion would have been right…you and the American girl.
11 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 3:16 PM

Anna Maria Boccabella
Because excuse what image you had that they destroyed it, there is a person who is inside a coffin and that person has not been destroyed the image but has been taken away the right to live. If you are wrong you must die of hunger and in jail.
10 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 9:56 AM

Piera Drums
Since he also graduated, he could do Likes many young Italians who emigrate. You know how many places they do not know you and you could have made a new life for yourself, since you were also lucky.
10 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:46 PM
Alberto Diamante replied - 6

Gianni Botte
But poor little starlet .... I think Meredith is worse off than you know ?
10 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 2:49 PM

Marinella Mazzuoli
It’s the minimum with all of the lawyers that you’ve had to pay to get yourself out!!!...indeed too little!!!
Edited - 10 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:23 PM
Claudio Barletta replied - 1

Antonio Nardelli
There are those who have lost their lives dear Raffaele Sollecito
10 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:27 PM

Michael Thierry Bollani
The only reminder will be to pay for him!
10 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 5:06 PM

Saviour Colangelo
After that of the Mose that works, another bombshell.
9 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:31 PM

Paffi Francesco
After this news I do not sleep tonight
9 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:02 PM

Nicoletta Santarella
So what? In prison there is the only one who most Likesly knows nothing about it materially…
9 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 11:19 AM
Nicoletta Santarella replied - 3

Francesco Arigliano
Who knows how many payment reminders
13 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:02 AM

Luciano Cecchi
Go back to jail it’s all for free
13 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:13 PM
Comsubin Millenove… replied - 1

Renzo Maugliani
If you were with Rudy now you had free room and board.
8 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 3:07 AM

Renata Piovani
you could confess so you would have stayed in jail to serve the right sentence and you would not have made debts,
10 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:22 PM
Alberto Pardini replied - 6

Marco Alessandro Martini
Well, now you can get into politics.
12 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:48 PM

DonatoeIncoronata de Maria
We are making him earn money by making all these comments, when certain characters appear you should not write or do anything they are nothing.
7 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 11:05 AM

Oscar Chiricallo
You have debts…but you are free! Without those super-lawyers and super-experts you wouldn’t have any debts now, but you’d be rotting in jail…
Edited - 7 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:18 AM

Giampaolo Ascoli
He paid only the poor Christ of history , murder in competition….who?
7 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:29 PM
Alberto Diamante replied - 3

Charles Neroni
Poor daddy’s boy, I feel sorry for you, look, I can’t sleep tonight…
5 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 2:14 PM

Anna Gallucci
And beat to you xke here not even a credit of a thousand euros we can make
6 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 6:52 PM
Giuseppe Troisi replied - 1

Francesco Dejan Murtinu
Only a B-grade newspaper can highlight this news that Italians don’t give a damn…. always on the side of injustice….
5 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:53 AM

Severina Capuzzimati
He’s eaten everything… let your American friend help you…
6 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:47 PM

Katy Salerno
It was better if. You stayed in prison, at least you had room and board.
6 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 11:57 AM
Alessandro Digregorio replied - 1

Christian Provenzano
I wouldn’t feel pity for you, not even if I knew you were dying.
Edited - 9 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:23 PM
Italo Di Sabantonio replied - 2

Mariaalma Manconi
Even many Italians do not arrive at the end of the month, but they do not go to say so in the newspapers.
6 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:42 PM

Luciano Crisech
Lucky you.if you owe them, it means that you have seen them.I have never seen them in my life.
10 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 11:18 AM
Fulvia Guidazzi replied - 1

Tony Da Pomezia
Sorry for the father and family, the properties they had to sell to pay the Bongiorno, if I give them earned the parents not him, he thought to have fun and they paid others, freedom has a price, everything has a price
5 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:57 PM

Flavio Gastaldo
I have been broke since I was born but I have never said anything to anyone. Anyway if someone wants to make me a transfer I send Iban in private.
5 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 1:21 AM
Flavio Gastaldo replied - 2

Antonio Marinelli
Given that nobody cares about his debts but the absurd thing is to read the comments of so many italcoglioni who wish the worst to a person recognized as innocent after so many years of ordeal. Exactly Likes the italcoglionazzi who consider Franzoni innocent.     
5 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 2:26 AM

Saverio Sciacovelli
Beyond all personal comments and opinions, we are faced with a final judgment of the Supreme Court, the classic tomb sentence that puts an end to all controversy and criticism: whether we Likes it or not the truth of the case is a full acquittal and a full innocence. Point.
The Sollecito has done 4 years as “innocent” so under Italian law he is entitled to compensation for “unjust imprisonment”, and it is his right to ask for it. That once again the compensation passes through the assessment of the judiciary whether to recognize it or not ... is another matter!
8 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 9:07 AM
Alberto Diamante replied - 4

Laura LoriseFede
Cipi, tender, What a pity… It is said that Saint John does not deceive… He works! Proof, they say, is a valid solution for paying one’s debts.
5 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:27 AM
Alberto Diamante replied - 8

Martina Fistarol
Think a little bit about Meredith’s parents’ drama
4 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:11 PM

Marco Manara
in the fields search for fruit picking
5 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:13 AM

Davide StainMonger
I hope it happens to them to be wrongly judged to go to the warehouse is to be innocent and as if they take away not only your freedom but your life…poor guy how much he has been through and the money he had to pay for the lawyers that those do not move if you do not pay them…who knows how many innocent people are in the cage and how many fucking moralistic thugs are free
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:38 PM

Brunella Martini
There is also divine justice ..... as well as earthly justice!!!!
5 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 9:42 AM

Ilaria Fetriconi
But how… With all that you have speculated on your affair?
4 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:09 AM

Marco Concordia
Working verb’s voice work infinite way first conjugation
5 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:17 PM

Alexander the Great
I can’t make debts Likes that because they don’t give me everything here. It seems to me that after the trial you were out and about with the Ferrari… Or am I mistaken…
4 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:50 AM

Gabriella Negri
Roll up your sleeves and pay your debts. Likes ordinary mortals, you are also young
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 4:24 AM
Alberto Diamante replied - 1

Gigi Cerfeda
What else have you been doing so far? How much have you spent travelling around the world? Now after the combined damage you begin to talk about SAVINGS I have you I would be as well but straight in the forehead nothing doing and spoiled daddy’s boy. If you go pick tomatoes in the fields you will make a better impression.
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 5:25 AM

Marco Sammartino
Wasn’t it better that you stayed in jail
4 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 2:51 AM

Simone Varesio
And from me that you can sing a song to me!
4 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:07 PM

Pina Salvatore
The Italian justice is serving the sentence in prison for conspiracy to murder but conspiracy with whom
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 2:49 AM

Maximilian Lebiu
I do not want to comment further but 1.2 million euros of debts ... but how the hell did you make debts for a figure Likes that and if you did you were aware that you were getting into debt. If I don’t have money to do something or buy something I let it go or at most I make installments if it’s something indispensable.
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 3:28 AM
Massimiliano Lebiu replied - 2

Enzo Nano
But whoever interviewed her thought about the girl’s parents, and they call this information, how sad.
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:39 PM
Giorgio D’Antonio replied - 1

Mirko Tardioli
But could I know which image? Not wanting to judge the story this concern is a bit difficult to understand. Of all that I could honestly worry about “my image” would be far behind.
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 4:11 PM

Silvio Ghizzini
Be lucky not to be locked in a cell…. this is the right punishment…on the astronaut you have to stay!!!!
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 6:12 AM
Gabriel Schoenfort replied - 10

Filippomatteo DellaChiusa
The sentences may not be shared but must be accepted. He at the cassation and appeal was found innocent, and accused him and wrong. And to those who say it is right, then what are the many children affected by horrible evils paying? It has nothing to do with fate, the fate of each one of us.
Edited - 4 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:49 PM
Alberto Diamante replied - 3

Giuseppe Troisi
Beautiful jumped prisoner again you felt better feeling to me ......
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 4:54 PM

Maurizio Momo Feliciani
If you find yourself in this condition it means that somehow life is making you pay for it, hoping it doesn’t end here….
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 6:04 PM

Simone Morelli
But come on, you’re free, think you could rot in jail…maybe the truth was better  
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:32 AM

Gino Grandi
An easy easy question without any backlogy, guilt, innocentism, karma or divine justice: a company I worked for went bankrupt for 20 thousand euros in debt, how did this one who ended up involved in a murder case as a university student to accumulate one million two hundred thousand euros in debt?
16 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 7:26 PM
David Zamuner replied - 10

Pia Riani
Poor you should drown in your fucking debts there is no pity for what you have done still put your face on socials that courage without dignity and shame
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:54 AM

Omar Vallabini
You could have thought of that before. Let Knox help you, since you are snack buddies.
4 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:11 PM

Donated Caccavone
What do you want us to do a collection for you are lucky you had to rot behind bars you are free so” feel lucky if you are broke go pick tomatoes since you have never worked
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 4:31 AM

Marco Bonfanti
This gentleman may be more or less sympathetic but I would Likes to quietly remind all the geniuses with the third grade double malt that he has been acquitted. He is not guilty. Or do you consider yourself more experienced than the Court of Cassation?
Edited - 11 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 4:45 PM

Luigia Bianchi
He who is the cause of his illness weeps for himself. What we have to do: collect your debts and pay them. Or ask your accomplice
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 6:54 PM

Nicola Addis
What he complains about ! Hold on to your sentence! Judge Pratillo Hellman (cit.) .
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 5:20 PM

Teresa Cabibbo
It depends on who you have such debts with. If some of them you have obtained as I presume, you should not worry for long, though less about your image.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:43 AM

Mariarosaria Pesola
X having overpaid judges and lawyers x getting you out of prison
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:47 AM

Pietro Milia Petta
Putting fingers in the nose is a prerogative of children. The gesture is not very popular, especially when it is done in adulthood. In fact, while the youngest children do not make qualms and look through their nostrils when they feel the need, adults explore the nasal orifice hiding from prying eyes. Putting one’s fingers in the nose is not seen favourably by most people, especially if done publicly. There is no certain data, but 99% of people cannot do without at least once a day. Aside from the coarse and crude gesture, is exploring one’s nose with fingers really as bad for one’s health as some scientists claim? In the opinion of Dr. Erich Voigt, not only does it hurt, but it endangers the physical state of the individual.
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 12:30 AM

Francesco Mancuso
But in order to arrive at a million debts, however, it takes a handsome son!!!? If you had thought about it beforehand you would have confessed, you paid much less than lawyers, you had a clean conscience and you could have built the future from scratch!! Instead you have wanted to make the boss bully fichetto?? And mo tattacchi a sto caxxo!
9 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:12 PM
Maurizio Riggi replied - 1

Rocco Ferraro
Let’s not forget what his relatives did during that time….
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 1:05 AM

Zane M Zanetti
You paid good morning means you could afford it. Otherwise you would still be in jail
7 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:53 AM

Michele Caruso
I ask who wrote the article: wasn’t poor Meredith English?
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 3:22 AM
Marzia Zanobetti replied - 1

Gianni Broker
but how…. I read that he had become an entrepreneur… that they had created a site to do the “multimedia funerals”... or something Likes that, and it seemed to be working
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:40 PM

Dario Ruggieri
I imagine how his debtors feel knowing that they will not see a ghello
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:23 PM

Luigi Taffuri
I suggest a nice profitable occupation. Can make wooden head
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:14 AM

Gianni Every Salsa
1.2 million ? 
And who gave it to him “before”? With what guarantees ?
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:11 PM
Simone Marchica replied - 1

Antonio Orlando
Mind you, if you read some of these comments, I urge you to get even with the slander lawsuits via public transportation.
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:44 PM

Iolanda Fondacaro
Solicito was acquitted and has every right to be compensated for unjust imprisonment. It does not matter what the assiduous viewers of monstrous TV programs believe, who determine who they think is guilty, and construct hypotheses that influence the judgment of those who watch this garbage paid handsomely with our tax money.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 12:06 PM

Brullato Gennaro
I will remember this when the next bill arrives….
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 6:34 PM

Piera Berti
But why, what image did he have? And what work did you do to make up for it ? Could he do the grape harvest or would I pick tomatoes or, for an engineer, is it disgraceful? .... considering the years of jail in which he has saved, it seems to me that he is a bit spendthrift ...or not?
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 5:01 AM

Raffaele Sagira
You have to thank the passport of the other subject, otherwise you have debts in addition to life imprisonment.
Edited - 3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:35 PM

Titus Nagus
But who is that str…. who gave him credit for 1.2 million euros?
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:53 PM
Carmela Carpentieri replied - 1

Gio Colombo
The money he spent on lawyers and other things ... not to go to jail. Simple.
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Gabriele Giacoletti
But the question is: how did you manage to get 1.2M of euro credit, that when I stay and give 20 cents to the baker, he looks at me with suspicion that I will plug him?!?
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Giuseppe Trifirò
I understand the anxiety of his creditors, who will not see a single euro, then how will have created this mountain of debts
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Vittorio Galeazzo replied - 1

Elena Zucchelli
It’s a beautiful cipher…. didn’t you realize you’re spending it without having it?? Go to work you are young
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Iolanda Liccardo
by chance we have to make the collection to us who cares that you’re broke you’re not a person x well arrange yourself go collect newspapers and sell them you deserve this
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Lucio Perillo
He received the Reminder from the bank
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Nadia Masullo
Meredith was English if I’m not mistaken… The American was the other defendant. How can you go to Erasmus and not come home still today I can not explain it to me  
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Nicola Rosa
If you did not fax el goldon nothing would happen to you
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Saint Anna Ramunno
Evidently there was no evidence against him. I can’t understand how it was possible to do four years. However, I am of the opinion that he knew much more than he reported. If he reported
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Max Roberts replied - 3

Mauro Zuccarino
I am interested in how to drink a heated beer.
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:03 PM

Sebastiano Seby D’Amore
If I’m not mistaken in jail to pay for all there is a black man who evidently did not have the same lawyer….
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 11:25 PM

Michele Carbini Diotallevi
Meredith Kercher, however, was English, not American. Always on the piece The Daily Fact…..
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:18 AM

Angela Fodale
But if you don’t have anything of property I can’t do anything to you and ask for anything so you know what you’re doing and you’re also good for what maybe you did only Rubi was eventually sentenced
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Roberto Zaffaroni
What did x have 1.2 million in debt? Who made it out so much?
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Roberto Zaffaroni replied - 2

Marco Donati
To me if it hurts me will mark a euro of coffee at the bar and these make millions of euros of funny. Bah
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 5:01 PM

Cyrus Onions
Where did you get Christmas,New Year’s Eve….
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:01 PM

Simona Capozzi
(In)human justice and divine justice
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Massimo Serilli
It seems to me that a reminder will arrive shortly…
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 5:13 PM

Valentina Ginsari
The real drama is that “the Arctic Ocean is dying”. 
5 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 9:14 PM

Simone Coea Favaro
The windscreen wiper as well as the arm can be made up of blade support frame, which is the structure that supports the blade, (until 1998 was exclusively formed by various metal elements or plastic material of which the main element was the carrier) or directly from the rubber applied to the arm as from last generation much more effective and durable.
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Mario Butti
A rich guy in his underwear? There are a lot of people in trouble and does not have this visibility that I would have avoided giving anyway. Guilty or innocent? I do not judge: our Lord will take care of it, because there is a Divine judgment for sure: just follow Natuzza Evolo of Paravati
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Angel Donatone
Do you get your daddy to give you the money since there are many or did he spend it all on lawyers?
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:28 PM

Domenico Zoroberto
Davide Bonomo cannot end Likes this. As soon as Rudi finishes with his third degree we start a startup.
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Franco Borzì
The fallacious justice has acquitted them for sterile and aptly reasoned arguments for him and her and for Clinton’s intervention for her (we are always a puppet state for the U.S., after we lost the war) ... but over time the evil done always returns with the interests and the brutal murder of Meredith always awaits justice.
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Giulia Di Nunzio
Shall we ask Meredith what has become of her “image”? Perhaps a tomb answers…
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:56 PM

Monica Vests
The point is that he is innocent for the Italian justice…he is not innocent for the Italian people.
5 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:29 AM

Save Mineo
Received a payment reminder from the Revenue Agency
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:15 PM

Maurizio Iandolo
I will never be allowed to make 1 million euros in debt
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 4:44 AM

Andrea Gentile
How did you manage to make 1200000 of debts?
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:50 PM

Miró Miró
I wonder who gave you credit???
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:36 PM

Benedict Lioi
Daddy’s there or you were in jail.
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:39 PM

Michele Pellegrino
Think about Mez’s parents if you are capable of it. Murderer.
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:21 PM

Garau Shadow
I almost turn him my 13th for Christmas
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 5:47 AM

Giuseppe Giunta
And on the pavement and what do you want? In Italy there is nor are thousands that if it suits them can eat once a day.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 5:19 AM

Margherita Vialetto
Davide Scandiuzzi let’s do something about it please
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Davide Scandiuzzi replied - 1

Bonito Pasquale
What image is this person talking about ?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:29 PM

Dinatal Eron
Apart from the fact that he became “Famous” for a hideous HOMICIDE. I don’t want to get into legal disputes, but how can he get into debt for 1.2 Mil. of E? Someone should have given him credit, WHO? And to do what?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 1:41 AM

Marco Tonini
And who cares, there are good people who have far more serious problems
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 2:33 PM

Angelina Villa
If you have debts, pay them. We have them, we don’t tell people and we honor them.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 6:09 AM

Mimma Lanzarone
So you have to stay for your whole life. Without the beak of a penny.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 6:35 PM

Martino Acheri
But you were not a successful scion, for me you can go to sleep under the bridge.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:23 PM

Antonella Decosimo
But how did you accumulate such a large debt?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 4:43 AM

Lorenza Scauri
But which image??????
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 1:27 AM

Gennaro Di Bisceglie
There are those who got it worse. -_-
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Sara Trincia
Greetings from Rudy Guede, sentenced to 30 years for conspiracy to commit murder….
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Borat Penev
Rabiot no longer plays in Juventus?
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:08 PM

Marco Schiano Schiano
In one bike I have in the other you have to pay I never believed in your innocence maybe I’m wrong unfortunately I always thought so cisi
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:41 PM

James De Angelis
I believe that by suing all those who are calling him a murderer he will be able to recover a large part of the sum that he needs
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:06 AM

Giorgio Marre
How can you have accumulated a debt of 1.2 million when a normal person cannot even get a mortgage?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 11:48 PM

Berardino Pansini
Go pick olives that is the right time…
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Patrizia Calbini
It suits you well…so you can wipe that smile off your face…off my face…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 9:10 AM

Annalisa Capriati
I remember her phone call to the ps x the thrilling girlfriend.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:11 PM

Andrea Fidani
Have you received a payment reminder?
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Andrea Fidani replied - 5

Fabio Malcisi
Do you see that if you went to jail, it would have been better for you?!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:31 PM

Marco Colombo
1.2 million? Don’t tell Finance or they will start investigating as well.
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:21 PM

Lucia Pisacane
Who thought that the super lawyers hired by his father were free!
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:40 PM

Daniele Zecchini
If he is innocent he must be compensated for the moral damage and the months or years spent in prison
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:16 PM

Nicolosi Ions
MY BEAUTIFUL THAT YOU TELL ME 1 MILLION I DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO COUNT I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT, SO IT IS USELESS TO TELL US YOU HAVE TO TELL IT TO THOSE WHO HAVE IT.
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Rossano Pin
If you were in jail you would not spend a euro
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:42 PM

Antonio Buono
What was ls your image? Thank the Almighty Father that you are a free man, so Arbeit!!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:18 AM

Luca Brunori
What was his job? A normal person is not able to accumulate debts for 1.2 million, since to earn them would take, for example, 60 years of work, and he will have… 30?
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Guerrino Zampati
The victim was English, not American
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:05 AM

David Pauar Mantoan
Have Amanda give it to you…. she’s had a blast with this one.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:06 PM

Alfonso Iannicello
That girl is no longer there! think of her and spit in her face!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:10 PM

Emanuele Sardiello
Do not read this news in the car: you risk to die drowned in your own tears
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:16 PM

Maria Cavagna
If I had been sincere and honest from the beginning maybe…0
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 6:33 AM

Luca Martinelli
the famous IRS reminder 😊
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 2:14 AM

Antonio Forte
But how did you get into debt up to this amount?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 5:42 PM

Gianna Friargiu
And how did you manage to make such a big debt? He really committed himself !
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:37 PM

CriStina
What image? That of murderer?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 9:58 PM

Reckless Life
But debts with whom?
Is it necessary to have 1.2 million euros of debts to realize that it is not good?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:08 PM

Leopold Bloom
If it was up to me, all three of you were doing hard labor!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 4:11 PM

Clara Volpi
What a nerve. Ask your ex Amanda for help. But do you ever think about Meredith being gone.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 5:38 PM

Annamaria Esposito
Did you Likes to be represented by Bongiorno…? She declared you guilty and spared you!!!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:58 PM

Marzio Veroli
If you went to jail as was right…you will see that it was not as you say! You are from      
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:23 PM

Vincenzo Castaldo
Go to the gif vip, you have the carts in order for that dunghill
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:50 PM

Titian de Leonardis
But what image did he have?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 9:19 AM

Enrico Testa
How does a normal person get into debt for a million and two?
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Pier Giorgio Capello replied - 1

Ornella Prifti
The drama? One must not feel a monster because he is a monster!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:49 AM

Luca Lupis
But you are alive. One is underground. Do you want to trade?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:58 PM

Renato Rinaldi
And I have only 5,000 euros of discovery
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:02 PM

Mara Astarella
I’m sorry, but that he asks for a hand from his rich American accomplice.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:51 PM

Anna Leonardi
I don’t mind…I always thought he was guilty along with the American.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 5:37 PM

Rosanna Rebora
and what an image you had ....a nice example of that
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:53 AM

Marco Frau
How exactly did you accumulate this debt?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 7:11 PM
Alberto Diamante replied - 1

Valeria Lambertini
She can always go to America, to her friend…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 12:23 PM

Giuseppina Biazzo
You could ask for a loan to someone you know and c and made it to emerge and you earn the most you never know you’ll ever have understood no?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 5:08 PM

Milena Vignati
and how the hell did he get into debt for such a sum? vacation in santo domingo aside….
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:34 PM
Milena Vignati replied - 2

Mariagrazia Casale
That is….x make debts of 1.2 million euros and what the hell did you “played” or “ate”? I will never have these problems because I cannot “afford” them! Whoever is the cause of your malga, weep for himself!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 11:48 AM

Nicola Chiarappa
How do you have a debt of 1.2 million please enlighten me
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:11 PM

Anna D’amicis
Now we have to listen to you whine on TV?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 3:17 AM

Giuseppe Borello
But who gave you credit for this amount of money surely and out of his mind worse for him
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 2:29 AM

Sandro Carollo
The question is, who lent them to you ?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 7:13 PM

Sebastian Balbo
The African had no money for the trial
He is with the other crazy

Never believed in his innocence
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 9:12 AM

Salvatore Carulli
Pass by and I’ll give you a hot soup.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:57 PM

Raffaella Palmieri
Tell that to the American girl who makes money instead!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:45 PM

Massimo Isaac Zambetti
Poor guy. Do we want to kill someone else? I don’t know.
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Luciano Danovaro
I propose you a procedure of over-indebtedness…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:33 PM

Antonio Liso
The victim was not English? I ask x a friend
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:10 PM

Carmel Argenium
where do I put them?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:00 PM

Lucia Messina
Can’t shut up
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:12 PM

Barbara Scigliano
His image! Poor spoiled daddy’s boy!
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Barbara Scigliano replied - 6

Luigi Donato
Despite all the efforts of lawyers and sick justice, he remains the murderer of poor Meredit, together with the American
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 5:04 PM

Luca Tancini
If you explain to me how to get into debt for 1.2 million without any guarantee, we make real money.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 6:44 PM
Davide Ballanti replied - 1

Giannino Asunis
I guess you left those who gave you credit.
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Allu Scudeller
What the heck are you doing for 1.2 M?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:17 PM

Ezio Veniali
Saving is not an option… I live two lives with 1.2 million euros and half of it is not enough for him…....
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:16 AM

Michele Tricase
Think of that poor girl: she is no longer there and you have the courage to complain.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:49 AM

Angela Carli
Of course! With all the money you had to give to Bongiorno.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:48 AM

Gerard Di Carlo
And how does someone Likes that do all this debt, most people can’t get a penny from the banks !!!!!! And he !!!! Something doesn’t add up?????
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 7:00 PM
Alberto Diamante replied - 1

In the Armillotta
How the hell did you do with 1.2 million? The life of nababbo? And now what does it want?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:34 PM

Piero Piero
But how did you create so much debt?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 5:14 AM

Roberto Iacobone
Now the creditors will be forced to make a reminder… .
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:52 AM

Giuseppe Ferrante
Lock him in a room without edges with Morgan, Sgarbi, Ceccherini in abstinence from bamba, Corona, Rosa Bazzi and Olindo. Royal Rumble and who of the 7 comes out of it alive freedom and life from 5 thousand a month.
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Duccio Ducati
How did you incur debts of 1.2 million? To me they do not even lend 50 euros.
Edited - 1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 5:58 PM

Francesco Caligiuri
And pay them if you can ...... but what do you say to do ???‘Not even a cent I am willing to give you
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 3:46 AM

Francesco Enzino Rinaldini
if you want to come to my house ... a plate of soup you will find it
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 4:37 PM

Daniele Froli
Payables for 1.2 million? It means that you had guarantees
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:42 PM

Titus Loi
1.2 million
of debts? More than one devastated Municipality.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 3:25 PM

Renato Accarino
What news, and the fact the public as well?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:43 PM

Fabio Pizzini
If the courts do not give justice at least that comes from real life ...
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Maurizio Riggi replied - 3

Christian Mercuri
How did you manage to make 1.2 million euros in debt?
But when it was already at 200 thousand euros of debts, to ask a question?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 3:52 AM

Gaetano Cisca
You were lucky to have had all this credit, there are people who do not have credit even x 2000 Euro
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About Cosola
Apart from the fact that it is not explained how a person can accumulate debts for 1.2 million euros, what he should do is to consider the opportunity of a suicide: the sentence that sentenced him and his friend acquitted has not convinced anyone and, certainly, this belief by public opinion will haunt him forever, wherever he goes.
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Lorenzo Riberi
Remember, the wife of the then American President Clinton intervened on the dress.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:06 PM

Giovanni Capuano
Take the books to court. It was the turn of people with integrity.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:54 PM

Luisa Raimondi
I don’t even know who this guy is…he goes to work and pays his debts…but how did you find credibility for so many credits?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:55 AM

Angel Sapphires
But it’s off to the ratt, smartass.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:53 AM

Marina Pacor
But the black guy whose name I do not remember, the only one convicted is still in jail? 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:17 PM

Oifla Icificap
How many judges comment…..eravate all them, to Perugia that night. Let the trial reopen
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 3:56 AM

Manuela Congiargiu Scarmato
who is the cause of your illness, cry yourself ....
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 5:48 PM

Leonardo Bardi
But how did he make them and who made him do it
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 4:55 PM

Enrica Macci
Think of the poor girl who has been underground for years !!!!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 11:33 PM

Fabio Ghizzoni
I imagine all the letters with requests for solicitation payment ...
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 6:32 AM

Alloisi Alessandro
They don’t give me the mortgage to buy a house and this has managed to make debts of 1.2 million? Aposta no…
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Andrea Gangemi
So’i funny to pay to lawyers!!!!!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 1:54 AM

Alessandra Marghinotti
But how did he put a debt Likes thisCOPY0
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 4:12 AM

Fabio Immacolato
“I owed €100 to one, he slept on the landing” cit.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:30 PM

Emilio Romano
Try to work… The debts of your type will never end and no one pays them ever…or go to the judge and ask for extensions Likes LEGA that can be paid in 80 years.
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Nikola Rosario Avitabile
The most appropriate surname would be Solletico, as much as I laughed at his words.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:08 PM

Giuseppe Baldassarre
Still asking…you’ve gone luxury, emigrate where no one knows you.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:04 PM

Michele Bergo
He made his life as a star with girlfriend afterwards and now he cries poverty. Ridiculous
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Fabrizio Acciavatti
Ask your American “little friend” for the money ... see if she helps you
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:00 PM

Lorenzo Brusa
How do you then make debts of 1.2 million?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:53 PM

Del Biondo Vincenzo
He never gave it to me.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 12:20 PM

William Farris
Meredith Kercher was English, not American. Freudian Lapse?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:57 AM

Roberta Amadei
so? does anyone care?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 3:08 PM

Marcello Paoloni
But only to me I do not binge 100€?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 8:08 AM

Daniela Bellaba
But what did you do to have debts for 1,5 M€?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:01 PM

Nikol Morcavallo
How do you accumulate a debt of 1.2mln € ? I ask x me
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:34 PM

Luana Drinkwater
Try to reach the knox in Seattle and leave together
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:26 PM

Marcello Squarci
If you were in jail you certainly had less of them. 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:03 AM

Sandro Macri
But you are not normal! But do you know that he has been acquitted? You phenomena redo the trial and condemn him without proof?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:07 PM
Jack Russell Renato replied - 1

Mario Trussoni
Is the money of the influential daddy finished ?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 12:19 PM

Marlon Marlon
However, the Puglia Region funded a project a couple of years ago… several thousand euros…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 8:59 AM

Romolo D’alessio
But vfc you are accomplice of an assassination,you are free xke america wanted Amanda free and Italy obeyed therefore….schiatta!!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 8:06 AM

Miriam Canopy
Who cares goes to clean the stairs
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 2:42 PM

Damiano Straface
I press… I have never followed the story, if not distractedly. Question: is someone in jail for this feminicide?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 2:14 AM

Claudia Bianchi
It’s time to go to work…..tu think about it????
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 3:44 AM

Franco Venturello
how many people have 1.2 million euro?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:26 AM

Marco D’Egidio
Great! You’ve spent more than a million without ever having done anything, in fact you even had a bad role in a murder and you complain about the image! And you even have advertising on TV…
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Woman Lisa Musmanno Erfort
But are you going to work?
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Bonfigli Riccardo
The murder of the American student .but are you sure…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:18 PM

Ivo Montalbano
to those who have nothing…. can not take anything away….....O no….???
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:12 PM

Roberta Di Bianco
Thank goodness you had to be in jail….
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Francesco Antonio…. replied - 1

Maria Letizia Lucarini
And that you are a tycoon?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:36 PM

Fabio Forgione
The news is to know how you got there to accumulate this debt
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:54 PM

Rita Ortu
and how did we get all those debts?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:34 PM
Daniele Salidu replied - 1

Rosalba Ditaranto
Next competitor of the Big Brother House or The Island of the Famous.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:23 AM

Pasquale Corribolo
Strange I thought he was a guest of D’Urso
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:33 PM

Marco Bovolenta
But how do you have debts for 1.2 million euros?????
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 12:54 PM

Aniello Iannotti
And to whom do you tell it? With a summers suit you will find everything underwater.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:39 AM

Maximilian Lustri
For me you can also go under a bridge
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Michele Secci Spearfisher
Will you give me the Iban to wipe my ass with it?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:57 PM

Silvia Malin
How did you manage to make yourself a debt of 1.2 million? Didn’t they teach you that you don’t take the longest step of the leg?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 2:20 AM
Alberto Diamante replied - 1

Constantine Rivs
Rudy Hermann Guede, who opted for the abbreviated rite, was definitively sentenced for conspiracy to commit murder and sexual assault by the Court of Cassation.In competition with whom?
Do you know anything about it?
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Maurizio Riggi replied - 1

Roberta Mandelli
Sure that the Bongiorno if you choose them well customers, lately they are all insolvent ♀
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:42 PM
Roberta Mandelli replied - 2

Patrizio Troncarelli
Go pick olives now you start suede
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 5:07 AM

Andrea Tittarelli
It’s better for you to make more holes in them
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:23 PM

Chiara Cellini
Don’t worry…you’ll starve to death…what’s the problem?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:43 AM

Ugo Baldoni
Damn what an important news, Daily Fact more and more disappointing
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:29 PM

Francesco De Petra
But is Rabiot the one in the photo?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 9:48 AM

Massimo Di Quinzio
Debts of 1.2 million? EEEEHHHH????
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:13 PM

Francesco Ba
A little more sincerity saves you 1.2
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:25 PM

Paola Cittadino
Before destroying your image, you destroyed a human life together with his family and you are free, so you have to pay for it.
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 3:23 AM

Marco de Pompeis
Next time don’t get into certain situations…..
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 7:12 AM

Graziella Grazioli
Give an exclusive to a newspaper and finally tell the truth .... you will pay the debts ... you are out because the other one is American ... and since they are not a people of beggars Likes us they have pressured to free her ...
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 7:18 PM

Marco Colabrese
Meredith Kercher’s family is worse off than you…
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:12 PM

Ale Peguraà
Payment reminder
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:57 PM

Alberto Piccinini
For the drama please contact Meredith’s family thank you
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:10 PM

Carlo Pesavento
In a normal country not manipulated by leftist judges you would have done life imprisonment ...
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Jonathan D’Auria replied - 2

Gianluca Setball
Listen Amanda, not Lear, for a loan
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Luisa Bottone
Could you ask your dear friend Amanda for help….
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Luisa Bottone replied - 3

Monia Red
And what does caxxo have to do with your debts?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:17 PM

Doria Maifredini
The dear debts do not show up with what I do not give you nothing
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Carlo Cavaleri
Put your hand on your conscience for what you did with your animal ex-girlfriend
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 1:56 AM

Rosita Scarponi
Choose Giulia buongiorno as a lawyer and, as if that were not enough, Luca maori has its cost. Personal choices, they take charge if we can afford it. At the time the “political” scheming was different and even choosing the good morning was not accidental. Now the bill is all yours. https://www.repubblica.it/2008/04/sezioni/cronaca/perugia-uccisa7/genitori-sollecito/genitori-sollecito.html

Sollecito’s relatives wanted to manipulate the investigation - news - Repubblica.it
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Enrico Costa
I think it will take my sleep away!
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 12:15 PM

Carmine Iula
Good morning is dear eh…
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:37 PM
Carlito Prince replied - 1

Salvatore Orrù
Payment reminder
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:51 PM
Gabriele Bassano replied - 1

Dimitri Parolin
Be careful that if you don’t pay you will get a RULE
3 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 4:53 AM

Maurizio Mizio Toscano
but you’re going to do in ... I was in ... You were in 3 ... One is in for accessory to murder ACCOMPLICE OF WHOM?
Edited - 1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:46 PM

Debora Garraffo
What is that saying? Whoever is the cause of your evil, weep for himself…
Instead of thinking about your image think about Meredith and let us know how you and Amanda did it
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:23 PM

Maria Grazia Biancifiori
You should have thought about it before instead of killing your friend, you hurt her and she comes back to you.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 3:03 AM

AnnaMaria D’Andrea
Who. Wrong deserves the same thing. I do. If I had power you know that. I would put. In the square there. Person inside. A cage. Day. E. Night etc.etc
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 6:23 AM

Joseph D’aquino
A certain rudy is still in the cage instead of you
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:30 PM

AnnaMaria D’Andrea
Who. Ti. A. Said. Of. To do. Debts . Debts are. Yours. E. Drapes. Pay. From you. Go to work. How. Do. All of them. The. Honest people. E. The. Consciousness. Clean. Shamed…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 6:13 AM
Serena Gulliver replied - 1

Alfonso Brigante Esposito
Imagine Meredith’s life…..
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 2:06 PM

Alessandro Errico
Poor Chubby…it’s the least you deserve.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:37 AM

Francesco Ostrowski
Here you can’t find anyone who will lend you a hundred euros, this has done more than a million debts…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:06 PM

Giuseppe Peschechera
In the meantime, you’re whizzing through the streets of Puglia, Barletta included with a Porsche Carrera.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:51 AM

Salvatore Coppola
Destroyed Likes Meredith’s family?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:09 PM

Piero Ricci
Borrow from Amanda?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:15 PM

Renza Rossato
Poor Meredith did not take her own life, not Likes that!
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 8:18 AM

Anna Vinci
What a drama, how will I sleep?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 4:30 PM

Gennaro Ruggiero
Thank the American if you are not in jail.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 11:50 AM

Mathilde Colella
I have a lot of problems too, but I’ll manage.
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:38 AM

Luca Gargano
2 bids from the shock and everything settles down. Ps but find a job Likes all the other poor Christians, no?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:53 PM

Franca Battistini
Think of the girl who is one meter subway!
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 5:10 AM

Lorenza Musio
We all need to make a collection x help him
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:44 AM

Andrea Bizioli
Which image ? Not even Tony Brando. ..
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:33 PM

Vittorio Galeazzo
Ha, why did he have an image before killing? He could have thought of it before!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 4:38 AM

Riccardo Periccioli
Confess that at least you go back to jail and we will support you…
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 5:41 AM

Riccardo Chifari
Do you owe them to Bongiorno?
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:19 PM

Sandro Colonnelli
As a reminder to you and your American friend I made Isis style first cut your arms then your head x what you have done
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 7:31 AM

Luciana Ruggeri
You would have done well to be quiet and not to appear now you will seek visibility on TV x earn money… What squalor…
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 11:20 AM

Improved Iosetta
For this you should have stayed in jail ..... all spent you want to put?
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 11:22 AM

Alessandro Ascheri
Reminder (of payment
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:08 PM

Melina Grassadonia
Be thankful that you are out you wanted a great lawyer a poor wretch x having taken a overalls can not afford a lawyer
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:34 PM

Massimo Silvestri
The truth is that he is innocent absolved!
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:26 PM
Massimo Silvestri replied - 9

Antonia Pisegna
You have taken the life of a girl you at least live deserve to live badly  
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 9:00 AM

Maria Pistola Pesaresi
Poor !!!! make the collection ?????
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:32 PM

Alesiani Mauro
Freedom at a high price  
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 3:50 AM

Tony Longo
If in Italy the law was the same for everyone, you would be rotting in jail. As a result, all that money would never have served you well.
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 11:11 AM

Giovanna Tubini
Go to work in England…the patrimony of poor Meredith….at least you’ll get what you deserve…   
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:51 PM

Daniele Di Cuia
They certainly sent him a Reminder…of payment! 
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:20 PM

Black Lorraine
....and us?
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:28 AM

Vincenzo Gilmour Attena
But maybe you wake up cold and elegantly dressed
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:36 PM

Matteo Valeria Ferrandino
Drama? Tell that girl’s family
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Federica Fiorini
Ask Amanda
2 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:17 PM

Michele Erpizzettaro Tarolli
1.2 million debt echelanmdchitestramurt eij
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:49 PM

Carlo Grossi
End of a daddy’s boy.
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:33 PM

Salvatore Guastella
Be thankful that you are on the loose, and not rotting in jail.
4 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:03 AM

Stefano Cavallini
He walks four by four, he slips into the bed, he rips your guts out, you can’t resist him! I urge you SO SO I urge you!
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:13 PM

Maria Capovilla
I am happy greetings to the family of my daughter VB a prayer  
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:49 PM

Luciasimona Casamassima
This thinks about her image instead of thinking about that poor girl they killed, shame! 
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:14 PM

Cinzia Mirella Giovannetti
Come on, let’s make a collection!
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:35 PM

Pasquale Francesco Mazzitello
Picture?
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:10 PM

Frida Joy Governor
Payment reminder
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:35 PM

Alberto Rizzo
I say but still they invite him in the tv shows to this m3rd@. He must die of hunger  
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:30 PM

Romeo Linen
The poor and black is in the cage, the white and wealthy free!
What beauty the Italian justice
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Maurizio Riggi replied - 2

Vittoria Panseri
Poor guy, but who forced him to do all those debts. He ruined his reputation by himself.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:27 AM

Luciano Inches
If my condominium manager takes you…
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:09 PM

Maurizio Gatti
Drama????The drama was experienced by the one you killed.
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 12:34 AM

Emma Zugni
Ask Amanda ...... your friend
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:36 PM
Susy Bi replied - 1

Marco Stissi
They will have made him a lot of “reminders” to Sollecito, but he does not suffer the solicitation.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 10:15 AM

Gaetano Sferrazza
She thinks poor Meredith eats dirt
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:07 PM

Paolo Mazzini
Ciccio, you owe us money because you owe us money.
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 4:28 AM

Vincenzo Forgione
go pick tomatoes…
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:08 AM

Rita Fractals
Now we pay them but x does not pay them your dear friend,,accomplice, Amanda,,
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 3:37 AM

Luciano Anselmi
Go to Barbara D’Urso
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:24 PM

Sandra Dessi
AND WHO CARES ... THERE ARE FATHERS OF FAMILY WITHOUT WORK
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 2:44 AM

Luciana Annoyance
Someone does not pay only on Saturday, I seem to remember!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:42 PM

Alberto Mascarini
Feel lucky you were with an American…..
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:51 PM

Donated Rooster
Her friend wrote a book and from a psychopath (said by an American psychologist) she became a writer, program presenter thinks a little.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:37 PM

Alberto Valentini
And to us who f…..ga
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:47 PM

Flavien Belardinelli
He also did a lot on his own
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:52 AM

Massimo Cocuzza
Go on television and cry so they pay their debt, this makes audience!!!!!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:21 PM

Cinzia Porcari
Not my problem
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:13 PM
Cinzia Porcari replied - 6

Concetta Gennarelli
I hope Amanda goes broke too
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:17 PM

Piero Tauro
Who was there!
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:34 AM
Paolo Cocchetto replied - 1

Cinzia Berettieri
How did you accumulate so many debts? He has a university degree and comes from a wealthy family. I do not explain it to myself. ##
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 3:10 AM

Anna Bianchi
Still talking about this figure? He is free, is it not enough for him? He’s going to jail, where he should be, so he eats, drinks, heats himself up, all for free!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 12:43 AM

Paolo Murru
and you’re not attractive, they absolved you.
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 5:11 PM

Ivan Oblomov Colangelo
He had more than one reminder.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:24 PM

Rosaria Orphan
Go to Barbara D’urso
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:27 PM

Carmela Carpentieri
Make a book with Amanda
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:05 PM

Giuseppe Crimaldi
poor thing, you’re making me cry
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 2:36 AM

Francesco Pugliese
Raffaele you have won many battles. ..you will also win this one…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 2:07 PM

Maria Enrica Cagiola
Get help from your little American friend
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 4:38 AM

Maurizio Abbate
ce papi ..Che paga…
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:10 AM

Francesco Allegrucci replied - 1

Emanuele Luna
Mason daddy doesn’t help you anymore?
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 3:40 AM

Vito La Banca
He was acquitted, he is innocent by law.
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Vito La Banca replied - 3

Paolo Marolla
As Gianni Ciardo used to say “Christ is great Christ is great ....”.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 2:16 PM

Alfredo Coltellacci
They do not have…..HAI
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:33 PM

Mariateresa Caristia
Think of poor Rudy…. He is suffering. Or poor Meredith who is no longer here. 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:37 PM

Paola Bernardini
You’ve got yourself a luxury…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:20 PM

Philip Vella
Lawyers probably cost money.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:26 PM

Honored Edward
Divine animal justice.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:59 AM

Sergio Battilomo
for me (maybe I’m wrong) Solicito and that slutty American friend of his are more guilty than the one who is in prison
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:43 PM

Nico Laudi
You should have invited the family of the poor murdered girl…
Edited - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:34 PM

Marina Lazzerini
Thinking you should be in jail, you still got off easy.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:27 PM

Rita Camosi
It was better if you stayed in jail! I do not believe in your innocence!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 8:12 AM

Mario Monopoly
I believe that the fake newspaper should help him with a substantial donation!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 9:13 AM

Pepito Grande Aracri
Good lawyers cost  
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:21 PM

Maria Cantaro
You have extinguished a life…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:18 PM

Tona Pisa
Escape….that you from us….
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:15 PM

Mario Lieto
And what do you want, arrange yourself, as many Italians do.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 8:59 AM

Vittorio Masia
One that all those debts means that the capital is double
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:14 PM

Seraphina Pittalà
Work, don’t spend, stay serene and see that you eat…the rest you have already done…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 9:44 AM

Chiara Mossudu
La Buongiorno does not work for free
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:18 PM

Roberto Cerrone
Accumulating 1.2 million debts is not easy
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 5:17 PM

Enzo Pen
You should have thought about it before
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 4:46 AM

Flavio Flaiano
You Likesd the mafia lawyer now you’re crying
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:48 PM

In Pierpaoli
May you die in the worst way
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:47 PM

Maria Laura Laurenti
Freedom cost him dearly
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:12 PM

Dunia Fin Rope
Who sows reaps
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:27 PM

Antonietta Damiani
.... if you were in the right place…. in prison ...you wouldn’t even need money…. 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:33 AM

Ilaria Alida Quilico
Advertise again. You are without restraint.
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:05 PM

Maurizio Zonca
And a who cares we want to put it…..
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 3:18 AM

Chicca Pedrazzini replied - 1

Mariacira Avallone
you shouldn’t be broke, but in jail.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:05 AM

Rosa de Nicolo
Meredith was English, not America!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:32 PM

Fabrizio Zecca
Thank Rudy Guedee who did not speak…
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:50 PM

Giulia Mazzoli
But poor thing….what a pain… Ask for a subsidy to the lawyer Good morning
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:12 PM

Gaetano Petrone
If you were in prison
As of duty
You had no debts
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 4:54 PM

Daniela Rizzo
Which image?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 11:59 PM

Marianne Mauro
Worse than Meredith who is no longer there?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 4:44 PM

Antonio Isidori
tonight after this news, I will not sleep
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 6:15 AM

Federico Civoli
They destroyed what?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:08 PM

Catalan Youngster
As Uncle Vincenzo would say, news dimmerda…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:53 PM

AnnaMaria D’Andrea
To the face of slaps. With that. Smile to make you. Drop all your teeth
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 6:27 AM

Teresa Scola
one way or another sins are paid for, ask your former accomplice for help.
[Play video]
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Jon Snow
Tell poor Meredith about your drama  
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:35 PM

Angela Susino
People Likes you there is only one solution…and it costs very little!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 2:13 AM

Loris Rigato
And how did you make them ? Maybe by paying the lawyers!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:48 PM

Cristina Green
They should have thrown away the key…nothing but debts!! 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:06 PM

Kamel Kehal
It’s time for me not to sleep
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 11:37 PM

Andrea Cuccarese
I call….. by name and in fact
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 9:51 PM

Walter Tontini
Freedom is worth more than anything…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:12 PM

Betti Calcagno
The conclusion of this ugly story never convinced me….
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 3:30 AM

Orietta Martelli
I urge you, sooner or later in life everything comes back!!!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 3:42 AM

Omar Drugo
If you told the truth you were better off
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 4:19 PM

Alfredina Valentini
GET HELP FROM YOUR EX…..OR ASK THE LADY OF URSO….A PLACE YOU CAN FIND….     
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:10 AM

Mauro Lai
How much do you need?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:38 PM

Marco Damiano
Solicito.chi.sene.frega.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 2:28 PM

Ro Ca
I have no pity for you ...
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 12:08 PM

Marco Dellisanti
Quiet… Soon a reality show or the D’urso will bring you back to the surface… You’ve thrown the hook away, you just have to wait for the piranhas to finish the job!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 6:12 PM

Leonardo Ceccarelli
Payment reminder
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:48 AM

Enzp Bonfanti
Never have I ever given such a damn about a piece of news.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:07 PM

Roberta Tassi
You again… But we were not supposed to see each other anymore
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:31 PM

Michele Vicenti
What a bad picture.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:41 PM

Dante Pisano
shall we make a collection?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:05 PM

Stefania Bianchi
And why tell everyone?   
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:23 PM

Marco Chiavaroli
Come on, Daddy’s here…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 4:51 PM

Alessandro Nuzzo
And what about these catzi?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:07 PM

M Bridget Iarussi
Poor guy! Think about how the life of Meredith’s family is destroyed, and then, borrow a little money from your ex…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 5:16 PM

Louis Laman
Maybe ask your father for a hand .....
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Paolo Lombari
I do not sleep at night!   
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:00 AM

Christian Angrisani
still make him talk to this
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:48 PM

Ferdinando Lauri
After what happened to him, he even speaks miraculously
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 11:28 AM

Beatrice Piano
In life sooner or later you pay ...
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 9:19 AM

Massimo Giordani
Write a book where you tell the truth
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:47 AM

Francesca Arreghini
Your image?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Today at 12:34 AM

Paolo Valenti
Go to hell you .....and the press
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:13 PM

Antonio Addis
Bongiorno beats cassa! The payment terms have expired. 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 4:05 PM

John Zdenek Canevari
He wanted the Bongiorno…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:39 PM

Marino Cardani
After what you have done I have to be dumb mute
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 5:03 PM

Ivana Baldinelli
I wish that were true!!!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:05 AM

Yari Sakuragi
a name a why  
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:44 PM

Giulia Sol
Too little he who wounds by the sword perishes I believe in KARMA
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 4:46 PM

Francesco Magnolfi
Or if you took 500 pappardelle of compensation!!!!!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 11:37 AM

Luigi D’Alterio
you live in hibernation which is better
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:08 AM

Cyrus D Aniello
Income and citizenship
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 12:37 PM

Giuliano Soliani
Congratulations. You can apply….
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:18 AM

Gianluca Salzano
Me for much…but much less
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:35 PM

Caterina Benci
Interphone Barbara D’Urso and it is done
1 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:35 PM

Renza Rossato
Do not give us the story that you are innocent, you are not credible!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 8:16 AM

Stefano Galantini
Poor thing, shall we make a collection?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 5:05 PM

Giancarlo Boato
Make your father pay for them!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:51 PM

Matteo Curcio
in a call center in Tirana and passes the fear
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:17 PM

Garghj Gianni
Convicted for murder .
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 5:14 AM

Annamaria Di Palma
And who would be to blame????....
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:16 PM

Marina Belli
.... more than feeling Likes a monster it is…..
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 1:13 PM

Oillut Freegenes
I solicit a payment reminder.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 8:46 PM

Patrizia Elisabetta
And it worked out well for you too.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:07 AM

Lucy Anselmi
You did 30 years in jail, so you didn’t get into debt ♀
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 4:11 PM

Scamardella Rose
Poor thing go to Amanda she made a lot of money
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:26 PM

Omar Pallucca
Go to the gf or the d’urso so you can do it again…. but tell us who kill that poor girl
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:10 PM

Annamaria Manghi
That karma has done its duty?????
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:38 PM

Gianluca Montecuollo
And that you? The collection?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:44 PM

Magdalena Krystyna Behr
He goes to work. Simple.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 7:44 AM

Mirko Zerla
I urge… I know how to… Solicitation….  How many memories
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 6:28 AM

Alida Bodunis
think of those who no longer have anything…........................................................................
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 10:30 PM

Gabriele Posteraro
I wanted to make a joke but too many hate comments, I defile myself.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 4:39 PM

RobbyRoberta Passerini
What a head you have!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 1:38 AM

Horace Messina
Let’s make a collection…...
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:13 PM

Assumed Pancotti
Let’s make a subscription
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:36 PM

Nicola Galli
Debts for what?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 11:38 AM

Gisel La Riccia
Go to Big Brother certainly Signorini makes success    
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 4:34 PM

Fabio Fcim Zitarosa
You deserved life imprisonment, so you got off easy…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:28 PM

Enzo Napo
Get a transfer from Amanda  
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 12:31 PM

Isa Christmas
Confess go to jail! Room and board for life ☹
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 1:11 AM

Antonello Ferraro
Payment reminder
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:36 PM

Luke Sanso
Tell the girl’s family…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 11:50 AM

Giuseppe Sacco
You are out….. don’t expect too much
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:44 PM

Michele Donatone
What a creepy face
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 10:46 PM

Salvatore Messina
Get them from your daddy
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:01 PM

Fabio UP Fabio
How I would do Amanda, my mother
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 6:28 PM

Luca Crisciotti
With one million and two million debts, the problem is not yours but that of your creditors. 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 3:27 PM

Giuliano Checchi
Bongiorno costa CARA…...
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:25 AM

Zacchi Davide
When on the bright side you could do life imprisonment
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 2:39 AM

Leporale Paul
I keep this for the bidet
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:51 PM

Enzo Yattaman Castrini
poor thing, I suppose, is the fault of the Count and Maio!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:55 PM

Federica Borsini
he thinks about the image.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 12:59 PM

Cristina Cinquini
He cares about the image he…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:41 PM

Giuseppe Zaccone
You have a life ahead of you to pay your debts, that girl has no life anymore!   
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:38 PM

Dino Falletta
Ask Daddy ...
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:24 PM

Michele Lattanzio
You Likes living in villas with swimming pools
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:26 PM

Vincenzo Intermite
I propose a collection….poor child
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 5:46 PM

Stefano Luddi
You have been absolved by the law of the menga rather than those who have given you credit…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:36 PM

Maximum Christmas
They also denied him compensation.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:34 PM

Joseph Bonaposta
Do you sleep peacefully at night?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:13 PM

Francesco Caselli
Why don’t you tell the truth
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:05 PM

Giuseppe Moscato
If you give me the iban number I will make the deposit.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 6:41 AM

Lorenzo Pola
Who cares works. It’s already worked out well for you.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 4:36 AM

Laura Pucali
But please, you should be in jail with your worthy companion. And you complain as well? But go to…..
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:42 PM

Roy Francesco Cannavò
But who gave him these debts?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:26 PM

Stefano Silenzi
Call the lawyer Bongiorno, he solves the problem
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:47 PM

Francesco Delli Paoli
Goes to big brother  
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:39 PM

Luisella Porzio
And who cares…?!?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 5:25 PM

Capotosti Luciano
Now D’Urso takes care of it
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:36 PM

Klara Hinz
Maybe you didn’t deserve anything else! But justice…..
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 3:00 PM

Daniele Diotallevi
Good morning costicchia dear
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:16 PM

Andrea del Nero
Perhaps a joy… 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 6:42 AM

Savino C. D’Elicio
Evidently freedom has a “price”!
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Giuseppe Galati de Pusches
The truth always has two sides you have to verify what it says
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 3:15 PM

Marco Cannavacciuolo
You are right. You have a debt.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 11:21 PM

Nicola Sorio
Serves you right! You still have the courage to speak!! Go to your Amanda and have her give it to you!!! Bastards
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 12:38 PM

Carmine Faggiano
Get arrested…. room and board for free!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 2:59 AM

Mariagrazia Reina
So what? Let’s make a collection???Poor….....
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 3:16 PM

Curly Pina
You deserve this and more Amanda got rich poor fool who fell for his game
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 2:21 PM

Giovanni Vaccarotti
Welcome to the club be yours!!! 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:08 PM

Carlo Eutizi
So know know sollecito semicit.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:19 PM

Mazzanti Maurizio
I am happy because I consider you a murderer
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:30 PM

Luigi Megna
there are stables to shovel…....
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:06 AM

Pina Pulvirenti
Serves you right killer
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 12:30 PM

Marco Cannavacciuolo
You are right. You have a debt.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 11:21 PM

Nicola Sorio
Serves you right! You still have the courage to speak!! Go to your Amanda and have her give it to you!!! Bastards
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 12:38 PM

Carmine Faggiano
Get arrested…. room and board for free!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 2:59 AM

Mariagrazia Reina
So what? Let’s make a collection???Poor….....
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 3:16 PM

Curly Pina
You deserve this and more Amanda got rich poor fool who fell for his game
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 2:21 PM

Giovanni Vaccarotti
Welcome to the club be yours!!! 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:08 PM

Carlo Eutizi
So know know sollecito semicit.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:19 PM

Mazzanti Maurizio
I am happy because I consider you a murderer
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:30 PM

Luigi Megna
there are stables to shovel…....
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:06 AM

Pina Pulvirenti
Serves you right killer
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 12:30 PM

Oifla Icificap
In Italy the sentences are respected only when the alleged bad wolf is condemned and put to the pillory.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 3:43 AM

Giuseppe Truentini
Get them from giulia Bongiorno
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:47 PM

Alberto Graziani
Poor thing… let’s make a group x a fundraiser x help him…
MAVATTELAPIANDERCULO..VA
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 4:08 AM

Lukasz Sbutisky
Solicitoo soo soo solicitooo euu euu
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:55 PM

De Mola Francesco
Which image are you talking about? 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:15 AM

Mara Reo
Yes but you live and she doesn’t
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 7:38 AM

Giancarlo Mansueto
Core de grandmother, porello…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:29 PM

Andy Kj
Run ... if you do not have the money you can not pay .
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 6:10 PM

Andy Kj replied - 1

Paolo Barone
If you come by I can give you 10 euros…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:28 AM

Pampani Antonio
But you have to suck it up
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:07 PM

Oifla Icificap
In Italy the sentences are respected only when the alleged bad wolf is condemned and put to the pillory.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 3:43 AM

Giuseppe Truentini
Get them from giulia Bongiorno
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:47 PM

Alberto Graziani
Poor thing… let’s make a group x a fundraiser x help him…
MAVATTELAPIANDERCULO..VA
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 4:08 AM

Lukasz Sbutisky
Solicitoo soo soo solicitooo euu euu
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:55 PM

De Mola Francesco
Which image are you talking about? 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 2:15 AM

Mara Reo
Yes but you live and she doesn’t
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 7:38 AM

Giancarlo Mansueto
Core de grandmother, porello…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:29 PM

Andy Kj
Run ... if you do not have the money you can not pay .
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 6:10 PM

Andy Kj replied - 1

Paolo Barone
If you come by I can give you 10 euros…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 10:28 AM

Pampani Antonio
But you have to suck it up
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:07 PM

Michele Walter Altieri
and how would you Likes to live ... making “appearances” on TV or in tabloids?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 10:50 AM

Francis Daniel
AND WHAT DO YOU WANT NOW? YOU HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 3:00 AM

Claudio Battisti
But who asked him  
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:46 PM

Rita Fusco
If you want I’ll give you mine too…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:17 AM

Luca Marcuzzi
You go to work and so you pay your debts
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Florian Olimpini
It’s done or nice mo so fuck you
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:18 AM

Federica Federica
Well, who does L is waiting!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 8:27 AM

Titta Carmine CerboneDe Gais
And who .....si pepsi cola    
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 7:02 PM

Gianni Moscatiello
You are just one of the many daddy’s sons who could afford the best lawyers and get acquitted. You are just a worm
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:13 PM

Andrea Il Principino Tucceri
Mi fat l sheep
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Andrea Il Principi… replied - 2

Giancarlo Moro
more flour for Barbarella durso !
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 4:27 AM

Dani Stefi
You were acquitted only xche full of money sooner or later everything comes back x me you can even die
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 5:12 PM

Rolando Galeazzi
But which image!!!!!! You’re just a daddy’s boy delinquent who saved you and the other delinquent from life by sending an innocent man to jail, but there’s a Christ and it’s going to get worse.
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Salvatore Gullo
Must hoe the combs
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Gino Giovinazzi
But who cares
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 2:19 PM

Francesco Cotroneo
Here is the guest prox Barbarella.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 5:43 PM

Michela Bardelle
Go to work! In many supermarkets they look for shelves.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 11:41 PM

Francis Cato
Go steal, and never be seen again. Do not forget,
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 5:32 PM

Giacomo Spano
Get a job… murderer.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:17 PM

Stefano Boneschi
Costa la bongiorno as a lawyer
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:10 PM

Elena Tasinato
as far as I’m concerned, it should be you instead of meredith.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 1:42 AM

Camellia Pascu
But shut up maybe.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:27 AM

Paolo Roberto Secci
Davide Sanna explain to him how to make money ?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 7:28 PM

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Marco Birds
That you kill someone and then sell other books and appearances
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 9:42 AM

Antonello Pandolfo
Also he the umpteenth victim of the Italian bad justice…
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 7:29 AM

Dino Need
It’s going hard
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 4:21 AM

Rolando Occhialini
don’t try…...
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:16 PM

Ruggero Tortorici
When you have 20,000 euros in debt you can worry about finding a way to repay them. When you have 1.2 million debts you can also avoid worrying, the problem is only with creditors: never worry about a problem that cannot be solved.
33 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:19 PM

Emanuele Caputo replied - 1

Fanelli Sergio
?????? But it will be fake.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 1:55 AM

Gianmaria Gervasi
You blossomed a little too much
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 9:05 AM

Valeria Bottiglieri
Excuse me…. but seriously? I thought it was a news of Lercio
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 4:26 AM

Simone Lo White
You should be in jail…murderer
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:12 PM

Gianluca Stolfa
And who cares….sei only a murderer
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 7:37 PM

Marco Fieroni
Oh you bastard! You thought you’d get away with it, tell the truth! for what you’ve done you should take two little steps forward.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 5:32 PM

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Franco Damiani
. And you are ca… I do not put it there
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 4:37 PM

Francesco Paolo Montemurro
Don’t worry, the daddy has the petioles.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:45 PM

Passy Flora
Ask Amanda….
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:20 PM

Vegas CJ
Submerged in payment reminders
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Bride Sauro
You were supposed to rot in jail and instead there went the ” moro “....
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 1:30 PM

Raffaello Matrisciano
Ask Meredith, maybe she would be happy to have 1 million euros in debt, but be alive.
Her friend in the states, on the other hand, got money out of it by seeing the story.
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Alberto Diamante replied - 26

Luqmàn Kaoutar Fortuna
Of grace that you are not at the cage beautiful Italy eh
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Mimmo Cortese
Get your debts paid by the former anericana
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Ledy Campese
And on the pavement you have to stay!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 2:34 PM

Nicoletta Telera
Let’s make a poor little collection BUT MALEDETTO VALEDETTO
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 1:03 AM

Octavio de Giovanni
his little American dummy friend, she was smarter than him.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 3:48 PM

Luca Gargano
Finding a job is too humiliating
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:54 PM

Roberto Caserta
Nn pay to anyone…. 
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:19 AM

Giuseppe D’Ercole replied - 1

Carlo Lattanzio
ask rudy
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 7:32 AM

Code Sherry
And who are you? We do not care thanks
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 2:22 PM

Fulvio Borrini
did you want the oscar?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 15 at 12:16 PM

Effe
Raffele Sollecito mavaffanculo and afterwards go to work
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 2:18 PM

Marisa Bruno
Go to D’Urso    
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 2:02 AM

Iorio Peppe
MA’ ANCH’ SÌ VIV’ HOWEVER GULAKITEMMUORT…..
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Friday at 1:57 PM

Marzia Cianciulli
The real dramas are the people who work and break their backs x try to make ends meet! The Daily Fact sometimes puts news worthy of a D’Urso program… 
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Giacomo Gramazio replied - 5

Dani Dan
Ridiculous! You did it all by yourself. If you didn’t kill anyone, it wouldn’t happen to you.
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Saturday at 7:55 AM

Giovanna Castigliani
all this money as you’ve spent it????....f why do you give a damn, they’ve defended you well!!!!...now go to work…. 
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Bab Morley
I wonder how you get into debt 1, 2 million, as soon as I go below 1000 everything freezes and calls me debt collection
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Isabella Nobili replied - 2

Lorenzo Fuso
To have 1.2 million euros of debt you must have spent money…. But obviously someone gave you credit… On what basis? I had more controls for a 100 k mortgage than with an rx. And they almost didn’t want to give it to me
Edited - 10 - Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 8:04 AM

Vincenzo Colaianna
Your father brought him to ruin you had to rot in jail with that…......
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Alberto Diamante
Some considerations on the sentence of Rudy Guede to “conspiracy to commit murder”:

It’s true that at the trial against Rudy Guede, the Court found him guilty of “conspiracy to commit murder” and referred several times to Amanda and Raffaele as the correi of the murder. But this should make anyone with a minimum of respect for the law and due process shudder.

1. Amanda and raffaele had not yet been tried.
2. DNA had not yet been analyzed by defense experts or independents
3. Amanda and Raffaele were not defendants:
4. Amanda and Raffaele could not defend themselves from the accusations
5. A/R lawyers were not and could not be present and present an alternative theory of evidence
6. The Court has taken for sacrosanct truth the statements of the prosecution (many of which were later denied),
7. I have never heard in any country in the world that a court finds two people guilty who are not even charged, have never been tried and deserve the presumption of innocence before any trial against them.
8. Not even in the worst banana republics would a judge allow himself to condemn people who are not even charged and have no criminal record.
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Alberto Diamante replied - 32

Marco Bernardi
Debt of 1.2 million? And how did you do it? Poor guy
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Paola De Simone
Be thankful for daddy’s big money if you managed to get away with it: you are guilty for me and also your little friend and you have been defended by the best lawyers to get out of this story unscathed, also who knows how much money you have given to the only person who is currently in jail and is serving a sentence despite being innocent and who is keeping his mouth shut, in fact he has never proclaimed his innocence and has accepted all this with a strange resignation; in my opinion you dear Raffaele that night you killed Meredith because you were so stoned together with your girlfriend in a murky game of three and the only witness of the story has decided to take the blame in exchange for who knows how much money; I conclude by saying that if you have managed to get away with the Italian justice for now I hope that at least the divine one does not give you any escape.
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Teresa Iazzani replied - 4

Nergal Nabueridu
Victims do not speak while monsters do! It is human militarist nature, even if it has been acquitted, it does not mean that it is innocent, so human bullshit has to be cornered at the ends of the world! The Italian justice is a bizarre absurd justice, after the events of the CSM for how it recommends all friends of friends and that anyone can abuse the power and the role it plays. But what is even more serious in fact who abuses power is often promoted and honest people who fight for the integrity of the country? They will be condemned to suffer hellish punishment in every public institution at the crucifix. The true face of a nation in the eyes of the people and that is in the game, and that the chain of events follows one another as if it had never happened quickly forgotten, because it lives in a chronically ill system where the disease is now in its final stage.
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Rosary Giambona
She is out because her lawyer was a certain Giulia Bongiorno, and in those days she also had a certain political influence, let’s remember that she was Andreotti’s lawyer, the rest of the idea that the murder can not not know, was in a house of a few square meters. Then too many negligence of the Carabinieri, remember that the father was a person known in the village, it reminds me a lot of the Vannini story.
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Giuseppe Borello
And who are you going to tell
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Francesco Emulo
But as you were in Ferrari now you ran out of money
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Antonella Conti
I wonder how a murderer can be at liberty! If I were that girl’s mother, I would take you out of the world!
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Mamadu Mbutu replied - 8

Nicola Addati
I don’t want to get into a controversy with anyone. Nor do I want to lecture on the principle of presumption of innocence or on the meaning of “the fact does not exist” since they are explained not in universities, but in compulsory school. The story of Enzo Tortora has taught nothing apparently. That said, I hope very much that Sollecito does not take a ride here and read the comments of so many of you, because he would recover 10 million and not 1.2 querelendovi i for defamation.
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Angelino Pennella
but fuck off lazy go work the face of a person not very honest I do not believe your innocence just do not believe it
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Marco Azzena
I would not even get one million credits
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Alberto Diamante
For those who continue to think that Amanda and Raffaele are guilty:

1. Why is there no recording (audio or video) of the interrogations? Keep in mind that both Amanda and Raffaele were intercepted non-stop in the days following the discovery of Meredith’s lifeless body (as revealed by pm Mignini). And why did the investigators first say that the recordings were lost, and then that they never existed?
2. Why wasn’t Mignini (who was on trial at the time for abuse of office himself) recused? Mignini was then convicted (for arresting two journalists, Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi for the sole purpose of intimidating them and avoiding further embarrassment). Mignini was then saved by the CSM.
3. Why the hard disks (which would have proved Amanda and Raffaele’s alibi) were destroyed during the file copying phase? Not one, THREE hard drives were ruined.
4. Why did the police lie to Amanda, telling her that she was HIV positive, simply to get her to reveal the names of all her lovers, and then discredit her as a “slut”? What does Amanda’s sexual relations have to do with the Kercher case?
5. Why wasn’t Guede investigated immediately, especially since he had committed almost the exact same theft two weeks earlier (climbing an even higher wall and window) with a kitchen knife in his hand?
6. Why did they take for true the statements of obviously not credible people? (an old lady who could not have heard what he said, and who was obviously confused about the times and dates of the alleged event; a declared heroin addict (“I always use heroin”) who described in detail the night before the crime, the night before Halloween, when he saw Amanda, Raffaele and Guede together; to finish, the manager of a supermarket, who first said he saw “a girl buy something”, then changed records, saying: “Yes, it was Amanda and she bought something”, finally he said that “it was Amanda and she bought some house cleaning products, located in the back of the store)?
7. Why were the crucial interviews conducted around midnight, when Amanda and Raffaele, two twenties in their twenties, were exhausted, confused, numb and willing to say anything to the investigators?
8. Why were more than 10 investigators used in turn to “break down” Amanda and force her to confess?
9. Why did the investigators assume that “see you later,” which in English means “goodbye/ hello” in a text message sent by Amanda to Lumumba meant “You and I will meet later to kill someone”?
10. The European Court ruled that Amanda’s rights were violated when she was questioned without a lawyer and without a competent interpreter. Therefore, the confession was not admitted to the criminal trial. However, in a bizarre turn of events, both criminal and civil trials were held in the same courtroom, simultaneously, in the presence of the same jury. In other words, the same jury was asked to ignore the confession in relation to the criminal case but take it into account in the civil case.
11. How could Amanda, Raffaele and Guede coordinate a murder when according to the investigators themselves, A/R did not have Guede’s cell phone number (and vice versa, Guede did not have theirs)? In fact, even the Assize Court rejected the crazy conspiracy thesis. So, how do you explain the murder? In a turn of pure madness, the Assize Court said that A/R were going to the house in via della Pergola and they met Guede by chance. All three went to the cottage together, and while A/R went to make love, Guede was going to talk to Meredith. Then (again according to the Assize Court), while A/R were making love, they heard Guede attacking Meredith. Instead of stopping him and calling the police, the two of them suddenly, without any sensible reason, decided to join him and massacre Meredith, first trying to involve her in an orgy, then stabbing her.
12. Even Guede, in a Skype call intercepted by the police, said “Amanda had nothing to do with it”.
13. Why did they insist on trying to find traces of DNA belonging to Amanda and Raffaele, when all the world’s experts (including the factory that produces the equipment used in the DNA measurements, Applied Biosystems Inc.) said that there was not enough genetic material on the bra strap to determine who the DNA belonged to? (Under 50 RFU, or Relative Fluorescence Units, the DNA becomes Likes a grainy film, where you can “identify” the killer, if that’s what you’re looking for (in a form of apophenia), or you can identify a hundred other people, because they have the same generic and inaccurate features of the “blurred, grainy” image of the video. As I said, the company that uses the most used equipment for these types of tests, ABI has recommended a minimum of 150 RFU (i.e., three times more than used). Many forensic labs have recorded a limit between 50 and 100 RFU, but never below 50, as wanted by the pm in this case in a desperate attempt to find traces of DNA.
14. Why has the Court of Assizes made so many illogical statements in order to accept the prosecution’s absurd arguments?
15. Why did Amanda and Raffaele not refuse to talk to the investigators, asking for a lawyer (as did Meredith’s other English friends?) Why did Amanda not immediately flee Italy (as did Amanda’s English friends?) Why cooperate with the police?
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Moreno Proietti
You at least live, you killed the poor thing and she is no longer there !!!! Shut up and get a job
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Enrico Carrossino
but he’s a badass. Always with the knife between the teeth
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Giovanna Leonetti
Who makes mistakes in life then finds himself with the bill to pay.
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Italo Di Sabantonio
You are a mass of limited, you fill your mouth with opinions without having the slightest right to judge, massa de m a l a t i
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Giorgio de Matteis
I propose to solicit the establishment of a foundation to which its supporters can pay their donations.
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Vito Brunori
Beyond the known events ... it is not easy to make a debt of this size
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Stefano Monopoli
To follow until the last seconds :https://youtu.be/gbOjYpH1WdM

Meredith Kercher Murder. Talk with prosecutors Comodi and Mignini, 2017 - English subtitles
youtube.com
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Alberto Diamante replied - 1

Tommaso Bozzi
Go begging
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Angel Schemmari
Usually the state compensates for unfair imprisonment certainly times are slow in Italy but I think a little bit will take as compensation.
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Mario Rossi
How many employees at the cadastre have debts of 1.2 million?
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Alexis Calafiore
We are still waiting for you to tell us what happened that night. Because you and your ex-girlfriend have only told balls and the truth is that the poor little black man is in jail convicted in a contest of homocide (with who is not given to know it) and the 2 rich white people are out.
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Calafiore Alessio replied - 2

Pietro Micaroni
But poor mama’s boy. Let’s make a crowfunding
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Adr Car
Will have to give them to the good morning, which did not send him to jail
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Rosary Giambona
No way to go to work, right?
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Yesterday at 10:09 AM

Alberto Diamante
The worst thing about this whole story is that there are a lot of people who, based on three gossip they read in the newspapers, believe they are ready to accuse two innocent kids of being psycho killers.

No wish to inform themselves, to read, to know the cards and the motivations. What’s the point?

Just shoot some nonsense on Facebook and feel intelligent. It doesn’t matter that the Supreme Court acquitted these two innocent boys.

Then complain that Italy is falling apart…. that journalists are priced, that it’s all a conspiracy….
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Raffaele Ravaioli replied - 23

Salvatore Li Greci
Under the bridges together with the nutrie there is space
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Alessandro Bergamo
Now let’s make a martyr out of him and let that American bitch who made the money help him.
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Moscatello Angel
Now let’s make a collection x  
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Maurizio Riggi
It is amusing to read 4 ignorant people with the third grade and 3 shampiste criticize a perfect sentence without ever having read a page of a trial resolved by the supreme judges of the Supreme Court… not by coachbuilders and beauticians.
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Daniele Marcucci
Requests a Payment Reminder
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Nicola Barbetti
You could tell the truth
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Aldo De Nicolò
We will see him soon at Big Brother VIP
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Giuseppe Grijn Leaf Coal
Nice comments from the Facebook Court of Cassation judges. Tons of mentally challenged.
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Franco Monagheddu
It was enough not to make debts.
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Roberto Degni
I would reopen that process the face I do not Likes!!!!!!!
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Fabio Amadei
Get them from Amanda, 2 murderers
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Lorenzo Luzzi Conti
But in the end who was Raffaè?
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Carmine Mignone
Did you have the money, did you squander it? Make do with it
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Maurizio Coccia
Kill cor gas that is meio.!!!!!!!!
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Lucky Chicken
you are a filthy xxxx. I would make you rot other than debts
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Mo Nikat
and to the people????
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Maximum Joy
Who gives a fuck
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Tiziana Di-Dio Paolello
Enrico Antonuccio we can help you
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Alessandro Tedeschi
He received the reminder
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Gaetana Zaccone
Who gives a fuck
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Luigia Hooks
Still speaking on this!!!
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Enzo Di Santi
Poor beast.
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Roby Sixty-seven
You could shoot yourself in the face…
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Stefania Fagni
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Simone Militi
Drama????? Get him elected in the 5 dung
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Devincenzi Daniela
Get buggered
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Stefania Ascani
[Play video]
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Francesca Guerini Rocco
Well is little
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Orietta Calisi
What about us?
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Silvia Severoni
But you put them there
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Andrea Nichele
Go to work
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Valentina Iaia Bresolin
Ecchissenefrega
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Mario Faraoni
It’s what you deserve  
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Luca Ciummo
You should have stayed at the Gabbio.
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Rosy Moccia
Take out a mortgage
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Marisa Fusaro
Poor dear!!!
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Andrea Breviario
Cxxxxx yours
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Alfo Alo
Arranged
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Angel Zarrillo
Lair of gallows
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Franca Loi
Sorry  
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Ida Cara Luciani
How sad    
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Lucius Verrecchia
And to us?
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Marilisa Molteni
It is very difficult to think of him as innocent
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Alberto Diamante replied - 1

Alex Guerini
What image???????
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Megamicro Micromega
Do not underestimate karma
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Stefania Maganza
Many people don’t believe but…....Everything comes back
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Giuseppe Blasi
xxxxxsi poor      
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Antonio Masin
sell the two kidneys and liver
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Viviana Neri
You’ve earned this you deserve this
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Gaia Bi
So what?
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Chiara Cialdi
Patience!
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Antonello Comparative
May you die, infamous
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Andrea Alimenti
In jail you should be
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Antonio Orlando
Go to work ...scoundrel…
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Nino Curti
Brau pirla…..!!!!!
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Paolo Cimino
So what?
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Stefano Germini
Who cares….
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Carla Mini
Who cares? .......
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Gaia Bi
So what?
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Chiara Cialdi
Patience!
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Domenico Ferullo
Goes gruosso fatigue ca si gruosso
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Antonello Comparative
May you die, infamous
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Andrea Alimenti
In jail you should be
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Antonio Orlando
Go to work ...scoundrel…
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Nino Curti
Brau pirla…..!!!!!
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Paolo Cimino
So what?
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Stefano Germini
Who cares….
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Carla Mini
Who cares? .......
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Alfy Sara De Marco
Arramgiati
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Luisa Simoni
Raffaele the Karma…...     
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Michele Baba Jaga Calvelli
Suicide yourself!
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Valerio Cardinali
MURDERER, ONLY IN THIS ROTTEN COUNTRY YOU COULD BE ACQUITTED, I WISH YOU ALL THE WORST EVIL PIG
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Ciro Ciriello
[Play video]
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Daniele Pol
I am pleased  
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Laura Calcagno
and then????
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Simona Bi
Go to America….
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Sergio Abati
Go to work Sucker
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Letizia Piercamilli
Occasionally good news
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Umberto Leonetti
Garbage is what you are
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Maurizio Buccolini
And you
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Amedeo Marcelli
Meredith is worse off than you!
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Graziano de Santis
Sell the Porsche….
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Domenico Gallo
and whoever fucks
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Luke the Duke
This is called Charma
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Refresh Afilani
Pedal
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Claudio Cardone
It goes hard
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Sebastiano Di Mauro
And who cares
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Daniele Mazzarini
You should starve for justice
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Caterina Tessarolo Cappuccio
Exactly, who knows what he did
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Maximum Bitetto
You should rot in jail
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Carlo Mangili
[Play video]
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Carlo Mangili
[Play video]
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Rino Spagnoletti
Go to work half a saw
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Luciana Catozzi
Ecchisene….......
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Rocco la Cognata
Daddy will take care of it
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Danilo Carretta
Gaia Bussani is your moment, host it
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Rino Spagnoletti
Go to work half a saw
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Luciana Catozzi
Ecchisene….......
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Rocco la Cognata
Daddy will take care of it
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Danilo Carretta
Gaia Bussani is your moment, host it
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Rocco la Cognata
Daddy will take care of it
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Danilo Carretta
Gaia Bussani is your moment, host it
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Gabriella Di Canio
You graduated your father and lawyer go to work
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Alessandro Digregorio replied - 1

Benven Lulu
Your Problems
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Nicolò Montalbano
... e sti caxxx !!!!
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Alessandro Fanti
BUT WHO CARES
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Annamaria Grueco
Just don’t do them!!!!
Likes - Dislikes - Reply - More - Oct 16 at 12:29 PM

Giancarlo Girelli
But who is it?
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Renzo Monti
And who cares
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Giorgio Guarisa
Sode
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Blue Chrysalis
When you say…. Karma
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Gianna Paola Di Bitonto
Get help from foxy noxy
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Gabriella Di Canio
You graduated your father and lawyer go to work
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Alessandro Digregorio replied - 1

Benven Lulu
Your Problems
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Nicolò Montalbano
... e sti caxxx !!!!
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Alessandro Fanti
BUT WHO CARES
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Annamaria Grueco
Just don’t do them!!!!
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Giancarlo Girelli
But who is it?
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Renzo Monti
And who cares
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Giorgio Guarisa
Sode
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Blue Chrysalis
When you say…. Karma
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Gianna Paola Di Bitonto
Get help from foxy noxy
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Gabriella Di Canio
You graduated your father and lawyer go to work
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Alessandro Digregorio replied - 1

Benven Lulu
Your Problems
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Nicolò Montalbano
... e sti caxxx !!!!
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Alessandro Fanti
BUT WHO CARES
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Annamaria Grueco
Just don’t do them!!!!
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Giancarlo Girelli
But who is it?
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Renzo Monti
And who cares
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Giorgio Guarisa
Sode
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Blue Chrysalis
When you say…. Karma
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Gianna Paola Di Bitonto
Get help from foxy noxy
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Michele Rella
puppy….
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Matteo Mannino
Who gives a fuck
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Umberto Stabia
Karma slowly  
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Strong Sybil
But poor thing…. Shame
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Leo Cra
Hopefully it will stay there
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Christine Mary
Who gives a fuck
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Marco Fagnani
Sorry.
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Gabriele Carubini
Spiaze
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Desiree Antonacci
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Marco Maffei
cazzituoi
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De Gennaro Gabri
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Dedicated Antimo
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Augustus Pietropaoli
Sti fuck
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Leotine Tiziana
Oh poor thing….
Karma
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Sandra Duarte
Write a book and solve the problem.
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David Soldiers
And therefore…!
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Gaetanina Di Ruzza
Who cares  
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Antonia Parisi
What a disappointment
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Beppe Beraldo
Ciavate
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Lorenzo Nobile
Little…..
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Federico Vitale
Best wishes
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Silvano Hall
poor guy !!!! santo immediately
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Maurizio Benedetti
So what ?
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Valentina Rappazzo
Murder you and that American slut!
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Beatrice Pennacchi
Poor guy….
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Andrea Zack
Prostitute yourself…...and get lost..,
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Anna Sechi Rbf
Eh, poor little star!

Fabio Paganotti
Morris Momentè Paganotti
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Clelia De Simone
Stic….
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Raffaele Astarita
.......and who cares!!!
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Maria Teresa Abbinante
But he still has the courage to speak
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Antonio Milia
Still nothing….
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Mauro Cassani
For so little?
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Matteo Ferioli
Reminder… of eviction
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Go big brother there all those Likes you….
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[Play video]
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Nino Orphan
Debts for how much ?!??
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famouse na collection
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Pora star
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Stefano Conforti
Who cares
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Stephen of Augustine
[Play video]
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German Mary
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Marcello Concetti
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Who is it?
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Luca Sergio
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In jail
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Michele Sciannandrone
What you did is even worse
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Are you hesitating?
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Federico Straffi
[Play video]
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Simonetta Gargari
She’s worse Meredith
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Cassi tui
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Shame on you!
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Massimo Olivieri
 
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There is worse
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It’s called karma
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Lisa Magherini
Karma doesn’t get one wrong  
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In the Lean
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Godo.
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It’s okay that you’re free…
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Are you hesitating?
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Agnese Marrazzo
Everything is back! Karma!
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Poor guy  
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Marco Celentano
Sti caxxi
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Little.
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It’s who gives a shit
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Monicapaola Mazzoli
You are young go to work
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Karma
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Mauro D’Aloia
An annuity? 
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Elena Pisu
Who cares?
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Karen Brightwell
is the minimum….. 
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Compartment Domenico
Who gives a shit
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Alessandro Trombini
Piccoloooo
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Mariano Murenu
But who cares!
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Monica Pellegrina
Alessandra Giombini provoke me!
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Murderer and fake
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Agnese Marrazzo
I hope the news is true!
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Erino Darno
REMAINS SCENE
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Claudio Bonoli
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Paolo Correale
  write a book
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Paola Logs
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Flaviano Graziani
and tools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Andrea Sensi
Do you chew?
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Nino Federici
Had you been to the cage, you would not have had any debt, and I would have been happy to support you.
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Gianluca Mattei
Sorry!!!
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Monday, October 12, 2020

Italian Court Officially Concludes: NO Malpractice By 20 Prosecutors Or Judges Sollecito Team Accused

Posted by Peter Quennell



Genoa Court, above and below

1. Genoa Court Smacks RS Down

Amanda Knox’s delusions of grandeur sail on, for now, but RS’s have taken a third big knock.

(1) Back in June 2017 we posted this report: “Sollecito Loses [Rome] Supreme Court Appeal Against Florence Court Ruling Refusing $0.55M Damages Claim”.

(2) And last year he and his fatuous co-writer Andrew Gumbel lost big to Dr Mignini in a Florence court for defamations in Sollecito’s book. They had to pay substantial damages and sign a document admitting they had lied in the book. 

(3) And now with Bongiorno’s and Maori’s seemingly incompetent legal help (they have yet to win in a single court that was not bent) Sollecito sued for malpractice some 20 of the prosecutors and judges in the case.

Unsurprisingly, the names of the judges in the failed 2011 first appeal and the successful 2015 Supreme Court appeal (all of whom were bent) did not appear on the list.

For these two main reasons Sollecito has lost once again:

(a) Because he (and Knox) had obstructed justice and told numerous lies to prosecutors and police in the days after Meredith’s death.

(b) Because all twenty judges and prosecutors named had diligently followed the rules and there had been no malpractice at all.

The lead judge was Pietro Spera. This was only the second case to occur under the recently enacted civil liability law.

Sollecito is reported in the Italian media as owing his lawyers nearly $1 million in fees (E660,000) though he may be able to argue that they advised him badly and took the several cases on spec.

Sollecito is said to owe his father a substantial sum, and his inherited properties are reported as being mortgaged to the hilt.

Tellingly, Knox of course has initiated only one suit of her own: the “appeal” to the European Court of Human Rights, for half a million Euros or so. 

Knox was awarded E15,000 or so, but wrongly, because her appeal was laden with lies and the hard-pressed ECHR judges in Strasbourg bought some of them.

Knox has never sued Italy for damages for wrong imprisonment. Also unsurprisingly, as that would draw attention to a fact she incessantly hides: that she is a rightly convicted felon for life.

2. First Details Of RS’s Claims

This reporting by Il Giornale is among the first. There will be a written judges’ report detailing the Sollecito team charges against the 20 and why they failed.

While the Giornale reporter Rosa Scognamiglio has done quite a good job, she is wrong to imply that Guede acted alone; that was not the final ruling of the Supreme Court.

Having been jailed while innocent, Sollecito still owes over €600,000 to his lawyers

Raffaele Sollecito, convicted and then acquitted for the murder of Meredith Kercher, still owes 660,000 euros to his defense team Bongiorno and Maori.

Four years of detention, trials and appeals were not enough to mark the end of the sentences for Raffaele Sollecito, finally acquitted by the Court of Cassation in 2015 for the murder of the English student Meredith Kercher, murdered in an apartment in Perugia on November 1st 2007 by the Ivorian Rudy Guede.

Today, 13 years after the start of the judicial ordeal that first convicted him and then cleared him of the charge of complicity in murder, the computer engineer originally from Giovinazzo (Bari) still carries the waste of the troubled procedural process. “Slag” translates into debts and outstanding payments towards his lawyers Giulia Bongiorno and Luca Maori for an amount of 636,212.23 euros.

The cause of the debt is the costs of a long legal battle in which Sollecito not only had to prove his extraneousness to the events in Perugia but also to fight for compensation for “unjust detention”.

In 2017, the Court of Appeal of Florence rejected the 37-year-old’s request for a monetary refund for the sensational judicial error that had overwhelmed him ten years earlier.

“There is an unjust detention given the acquittal of the plaintive - the judges of the third criminal section explained - but he himself contributed to causing it with his own willful or grossly negligent conduct”.

His poor conduct, wrote the magistrates, “consisted in making to the judicial police, investigators, and judges, particularly in the initial stages of the investigations, contradictory or even frankly false statements, which were also found to be such in the assessment inncluded in the confirming verdict of Cassation”.

After which failure, Sollecito tried another path, in suing the judges who convicted him. He could do this in the context of the “Vassalli law” on the civil liability of magistrates for “gross negligence and/or willful misconduct”.

His lawyers, Giulia Bongiorno and Luca Maori, had asked the Genoa court for 3.6 million euros for material and non-material damages.

The process played out in a Genoa court since, as Marco Preve explains well in an article in La Repubblica, the Ligurian capital has jurisdiction over judicial matters involving Florentine magistrates, and the Florence Court of Appeal was the one that convicted Sollecito and his ex-girlfriend Amanda Knox before the final acquittal.

Sollecito’s defense team had highlighted how the client had been found guilty and locked up in prison for “multiple misrepresentations of facts and evidence”.

Nonetheless, the court of Genoa sent the request back to the sender, arguing that ‘’ such reconstructions - although they may not be agreed with and be criticized - nevertheless demonstrate that the Florence Appeal sentenced them following a fair analysis and argued process..

The claims to the Genoa court had included this: that the psychological strains of the stormy judicial affair involving the 37-year-old are still being felt. Sollecito’s claims are attached to the documents of the Genoa court judgment.

“He will have to take drugs for the rest of his life for an anxious-depressive syndrome, difficulty concentrating, sleep disturbances, hypervigidity [this may mean hypervigilance], ease of crying, despair, low self-esteem, and extensive and extreme, behavioral isolation.”

Not to mention the costs of legal fees, E400 thousand already paid by mortgaging family properties, and the balance due to the legal team: E330,189.21 to the lawyer Bongiorno and E336,022.92 to the lawyer Maori.

In short, in addition to the damage also an insult. A very barbed joke.

As with Sollecito’s failed damages claim (see point (1) above) his team could appeal the Genoa court outcome to the Supreme Court

Good luck with that.


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Thursday, October 01, 2020

Sollecito Now Hit With Massive Negative Reaction On Italian Social Media

Posted by Peter Quennell

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Wednesday, September 30, 2020

Hit Early And Hard, Italy’s Systems Now Seen As The Best In Europe

Posted by Peter Quennell

 


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Friday, September 11, 2020

RIP Meredith’s Beloved Mum Who We Believe Knew Even US Mood Is Turning Pro AK & RS Guilt

Posted by The TJMK Main Posters



Mrs Arline Kercher passed away unpublicised back in June, as just established by main poster James Raper.

Her grave is right beside Meredith’s. Father John was killed in a still-unsolved hit-and-run at night in Croydon four months before.

Arline began the Kercher-family connection with Italy when she did excavation work at Pompeii in her youth. That factoid is from John Kercher’s beautifully written book.

The video above reports the end of the failed Knox-Sollecito repeat first appeal in 2014, often wrongly referred to as a second trial.

That was the last concrete good news that Arline would have received.

She spoke out low-key but compellingly in protest after the corrupted 2011 and 2015 appeal verdicts were announced. 

She knew to the end that Italian opinion was hard-line pro-guilt and that anger even in the UK and US is still gathering steam.

The next of a series of televised panels examining how the judicial process was corrupted and the outcome illegal will take place at Perugia University on October 8th.

RIP Meredith, John, and now Arline.

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Thursday, September 10, 2020

This Analysis Is Pointing Most Viewers Toward Guilt Part 2

Posted by Peter Quennell

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Tuesday, September 01, 2020

This Seeming Level-Playing-Field Analysis Is Pointing Most Viewers Toward Guilt

Posted by Peter Quennell


Above: the first of two high-traffic videos by a behavoral analysis team.

A second is due soon, and one analyst has added more of his own perceptions of Knox in the video below. All claim they had no prior concrete knowledge of the hard facts.

Both videos seem to be driving a certain fraction over here to see what the hard facts admissible in court actually said. No doubt to find that Knox lied in the interview pretty steadily throughout. 

You can arrive at the viewer comments by scrolling down here and here.

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Sunday, August 23, 2020

Despite Depredations By Witless Knox, Perugia University Is Again Rated Italy’s #1

Posted by The TJMK Main Posters

Really don’t miss this, it is astonishing work

Universities Compared

What do Oxford, Cambridge, Princeton, Yale, and Cornell have in common?

They are all large campus universities that really dominate their towns. Usually wonderful places that feel pretty special. Here are 50 in the US and a couple of dozen in the UK.

Perugia University (UP) is a campus town too, a very big one, with about 1 in 5 residents either on the staff or studying there.

UP is known as top-level globally in its main fields with renowned teachers and professors attracted from all over the world.

Knox of course was not enrolled there, see her pretty phony excuse explained here. Students fled by the hundreds after the shock report of Meredith’s death - it was ultra-safe Perugia’s first murder for some years.

The university did shut down during the peak of Italy’s pandemic but is back up to speed now with expanded remote learning - and the choir! - in place.

And UP has again won a prestigious award. From the “Top Universities” site, this was last year’s report, which for 2020 remains the same:

The University of Perugia, one of the oldest in Europe (established in 1308), is located in the Umbria Region, in the “green heart of Italy”, famous for arts, music and natural landscapes. Today organized in 16 Departments and several Centers of excellence, it has about 24,000 students, 1,100 professors and researchers and 1,100 staff.

The quality of its research, education and services is certified by the 2018/2019 Censis ranking (Center for Studies on Social Investments), that sees the University of Perugia first, for the sixth year in a row, among all large-sized Italian Universities within 20-40 thousand enrolled students.

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Sunday, August 16, 2020

Yet Another Nail In The “There Was No Evidence” Knox Apologists’ Coffin?

Posted by Peter Quennell



Sequins; the subject of this post’s Parts 3, 4 and 5. 

1. The Particular Context

The peak of the Knox PR misinformation campaign fell between 2010 and 2015.

Think of the misleading Knox and Sollecito books of 2012-14 which we have extensively taken apart here.

Think of the shrill and frenetic inventions of Michael Heavey, Steve Moore, Bruce Fischer, Greg Hampikian, and the numerous other hoaxers who are linked to in our right column.

None of this had any effect in Italy.

Italians could watch many of the procedings in real time, and no informed Italian saw any miscarriage of Justice.

Nor did the US Embassy in Rome, which cabled State repeatedly after observing in court and meeting with Knox in Capanne, that all was above board.

After 2015 and the corrupted final Supreme Court decision, the PR forces ran dry of material, and their energies largely dissipated.

Some like the xenophobic David Marriott and the defamatory Bruce Fischer claimed victory. But the real victory should be credited to Sollecito’s unsavory relatives.

Meanwhile…

Meanwhile the populating of our Wiki and our documentation translations continued unabated, and both are now seriously formidable.

This evidence masterlist and this critique of Knox’s book and this list of smoking guns were posted.

To NONE OF WHICH has there ever since been any serious pushback.

Our 30-post series on the Netflix Hoax was actually all about the myriad OMISSIONS of the three Knox PR trolls who actually made that so-called documentary.

They brought nothing new to the table - Knox was encouraged to lie her head off, but those tired and dishonest mantras had all been aired before. Netflix omissions were, to say the least, pretty copious.

Likewise with our eleven posts (and counting) on Malcolm Gladwell’s bizarre Knox-hoax chapter which highlighted Gladwell’s numerous omissions.

And likewise with our five-part series on the Innocence Project and the sordid roles of John Douglas, Michael Heavey, Steve Moore, and Greg Hampikian.

Our final end-run with the media, which will follow right after we post a brief overview of each of the 35 hoaxes in our right column, will concentrate as much as anything on those pesky omissions.

2. The Many Opportunities For Further Digging

We still get tips from followers of the case, which our main posters have appreciated and used in many of their posts.

Increasingly some readers themselves are digging deeper, with promising consequences as in Part 3 and 4 below.

If you spend serious time on the new-form Wiki - which could be a great resource for every law-school on the planet - chances are good that you too could find further clues to guilt.

These were all known to the investigators - in a real sense they and numerous judges actually wrote the Wiki - and to the prosecutors.

But with one main exception discovered by our main poster James Raper - Knox’s lamp locked in Meredith’s bedroom - they confined their testimony to the strongest points (and achieved a unanimous verdict).

It’s the documents that are very much worth further mining. Here is one fine example. 

3. New Evidence Observation By A Reader

Our reader Before-The-Dawn has been looking at the case with fresh eyes to see if he can spot any new angles not explored yet.

This below is his first email and we have chatted back and forth to firm this up and to take note of further insights which he is intending to post in Comments. 

I was recently looking again at the crime scene photos of Meredith Kercher’s room on the Wiki and noticed what appear to be three sequins.

They are about 4mm in diameter, appear to be clean, and are lying on top of the blood-stained floor near the wardrobe.  (Re the 4mm: I enlarged the photo to make the nearby cotton bud life-size - then measured the sequins).

I have circled the sequins in green - but you’ll need to enlarge the photo for a proper view [done; click on images below].

They were not present in earlier photos, and so must have dropped off something when this later photo was taken.

I think they may have been present on a small blue rug which was picked up by the forensic investigators (I also attach this photo). However, I cannot be sure if those are sequins on the rug or not (one or two of them could just be bits of paper).

Incidentally, I noticed that one of the ends of the cotton bud is a bit dirty/dark, and that the bud was originally not quite touching the wall.  It’s moved slightly away in the second photo (perhaps due to the area in front of the wardrobe being cleared).

I believe that Guede claimed to be wearing a silver dollar sign T-shirt the evening of November 1’st (and that this was examined by the Police).

I don’t know if the dollar sign was made up with sequins, or just printed on.  The latter is known as a distressed pattern.  I could only find one photo of RG posing in this shirt p[see below] but enlarging it did not give me the detail needed to examine the dollar sign’s composition.  This could be crucial to the whole question raised by this new find. 

I saw in another photo that there is a brown sequinned scarf lying on AK’s bed [see below].  Enlarging that photo does show what appears to be a number of small and maybe larger sequins.  I do not imply or claim that this is necessarily the source.  They could have come from another garment; and would logically need to be about 4mm. in size (to match the size of those in the floor photos). 

I have seen T-shirts with other types of designs made up of sequins.  So I think the three sequins in the photo could have come from any one of a number of sources.

It could be that these sequins came off in a struggle - but without any corresponding fibres or DNA it’s difficult to do more than speculate.  The sequins are obviously clean, and so were most likely deposited onto the blue rug or a piece of clothing (subsequently moved by Scientific Police) before the deadly knife attack. 

I think that Meredith had already been somewhat subdued by the time her assailant entered her bedroom.  It is obvious that she was struck several times, and with force.  I suggest that such an attacker would probably be familiar and confident with knives.  The neck wounds do not look to me like those produced by overly pressing the blade on poor Meredith’s neck.

Also, I think that someone was obsessed with the idea of injuring her neck: as some sort of insanely over-the-top revenge, and maybe directly linked to Meredith’s Vampire appearance from the evening before.  Horribly, it may be that the assailant/s played some sort of teasing/bullying sick game of pricking her prior to the fatal attack. 

Finally, I can only surmise that the perpetrator of Meredith’s worst wounds was someone with a very sick mind.  Someone probably turned on, sexually and emotionally, by extreme violence.

One can say in RG’s favour that he had no history of violence towards women, and that he would be unlikely to want to threaten either of the two non-Italian students, both of whom he seemed to know slightly.  He enjoyed the student scene, was a long-term resident of Perugia, and friend to the young men in the flat below.  Whatever he was doing there - why would he have carried a knife to the house?


4. Images Submitted By Reader Before-The-Dawn

Click each image for a larger version - these are not all high-resolution, and if there are better we would like to know about them.











5. Finally, Follow-up Advice From The Wiki Manager

In the Nov 2nd crime scene film, the police found a sequin on Meredith’s back when they turn her over.

It’s in the section of the video that is censored, but the sound is intact. It’s at 44:08. So yes, sequins were on the floor. Dr. Stefanoni bagged the sequin, but it’s not mentioned in her DNA report.

http://www.themurderofmeredithkercher.net/docupl/filelibrary/videos/crimescene/2007-11-02-03-cottage.mp4

I’m not sure of the source however. One would need to check ALL the crime scene photos and the movies to see if it’s possible to spot clothing with sequins.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.net/S-evidence-crime-scene.html

Sequins are called lustrini in Italian. One would need to search the court testimony documents to see if anything comes up, especially testimony where police were interviewed.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.net/T-testimony.html

I don’t believe the sequin is mentioned in any reports. It’s not mentioned in the UACV report, or in the crime scene survey:

http://www.themurderofmeredithkercher.net/docupl/filelibrary/docs/surveys/2007-11-02-Survey-Scientific-Police-desc-cottage-apartment-upper-and-exterior.pdf

So. Well done, Before-The-Dawn, and further digging would be welcome.

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Saturday, August 08, 2020

Seems Relevant Here: A Viral YouTube About One Family’s Loss

Posted by Peter Quennell



You can read the viewer comments here.

Many non-Japanese-speaking viewers (there’s a Japanese upload with many more views) said it dawned on them what was going on.

Quite a few said they began to cry. If you need them, here from the comments is one translation of the words.

00:00 (Announcement) “Everyone, may I have your attention please. Here we have our bride’s father Mr. Yasuhiro with a message to share. Mr. Yasuhiro, please, the moment is yours.”
00:30 Groom “Your father can play the piano?”
00:33 Bride: Shakes her head.
00:57 Bride “Stop it.”
01:09 Bride “Stop it plz…”
01:13 Bride “The song is… Why do you play this…” (Past scene, Bride’s mother played CANON when Bride was a child.)
01:35 Bride “Unskilled…”
01:45 Bride “Play gently at the part…”
01:55 (Funeral scene, holding the remains of Bride’s mother in car.)
02:05 (After Bride’s mother was dead, Bride fell out with her father.)
02:13 Bride “Though you are awkward…”
02:41 Bride (shocked by the sudden pause) “Eh?”
02:48 Bride “You can do it…”
02:54 Bride “You can do it!”
02:59 Bride “You can do it, Dad…!!”
03:12 (Message) Music is able to surpass Words.

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Wednesday, July 29, 2020

Hanover-Area Search: Possible Major Advance In Germany’s McCann-Brueckner Investigation

Posted by The Machine

More breaking-news reports here and here.

Judging from the scale of the operation - 100 police officers, including forensic police, sniffer dogs and observation technology - it seems the German prosecutors are acting on specific information and are looking for Madeleine’s remains.

Julia Meyer from the prosecutor’s office in Braunschweig confirmed the search is being carried out in connection with the BKA’s investigation into the Madeleine McCann case:

“I can confirm that the search is being carried out in connection with our investigations into the Maddie case.”

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Friday, July 17, 2020

Meredith’s Perugia #41: Best Walking-Tour Video We’ve Seen Tho Caution! Length Two Hours

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Friday, July 10, 2020

This Reporter Exposed Epstein & Enablers, Getting The FBI Back Into Action

Posted by Peter Quennell


1. Constraints Of The US System

Back in 2007 the FBI found their hands tied on this case - and it was Julie Brown, a Miami reporter, who got them back in the game again.

In general we’ve been warmish toward the FBI because of its major co-operation with the Italian counterparts.

Italian agents work at FBI HQ and Quantico and American agents are embedded in Italian law enforcement. We get occasional tips from both parties.

But the FBI has it less easy than the Carabinieri and Italian law enforcement generally.

The “wonderful” American political/legal system that is so much revered is really tailor-made for inefficiency, corruption, and disruption.

The FBI has to contend with the peculiarly American problem of the thousands upon thousands of ideological political appointees completely dominating the top layers of government (and costing US taxpayers many billions).

They are by far the biggest cause of legal disruptions, not least in Meredith’s case.

As we are seeing in the American news right now, urban areas, districts, counties, states, and the federal government have very ill defined legal boundaries. Tailor made for gaming.

Those thousands of political appointees make sure that hundreds and even thousands of legal cases fall through the cracks every year.

Contrast all this with Italy’s implacable fight against top-level corruption.

2. The FBI Found Its Hands Tied

The FBI was first invited in to the Epstein case by Florida prosecutors in 2006. They initiated “Operation Leap Year” leading to a 53-page indictment. What happened next, from Wikipedia: 

[Political appointee] Alexander Acosta, then the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, agreed to a plea deal, which Alan Dershowitz helped to negotiate, to grant immunity from all federal criminal charges to Epstein, along with four named co-conspirators and any unnamed “potential co-conspirators”.

According to the Miami Herald, the non-prosecution agreement “essentially shut down an ongoing FBI probe into whether there were more victims and other powerful people who took part in Epstein’s sex crimes”. At the time, this halted the investigation and sealed the indictment. The Miami Herald said: “Acosta agreed, despite a federal law to the contrary, that the deal would be kept from the victims.”

Acosta later said he offered a lenient plea deal because he was told that Epstein “belonged to intelligence”, was “above his pay grade” and to “leave it alone”. Epstein agreed to plead guilty in Florida state court to two felony prostitution charges, register as a sex offender, and pay restitution to three dozen victims identified by the FBI. The plea deal was later described as a “sweetheart deal”.

For the next decade that was pretty well “it” for the FBI and there seemed no way forward for them.

But now, thanks to the implacable Julie Harris, they are roaring back with a vengeance.

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Wednesday, June 24, 2020

Knox’s Luminol-Revealed Footprints In Her Own Room: The Damning Tale They Tell

Posted by The Machine



Dr Stefanoni with Dr Comodi, main DNA prosecutor

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1. Post Overview

If you visit those few sites and twitter feeds still craven to Knox and her unsavory pals, you’ll see true desperation now.

Ignoring the other vast swathes of evidence, they still beat their brains out “proving” that Italy bungled and misread the DNA. 

They desperately want you to ignore these telling facts: that on the DNA the defense teams were all over the map, that after prosecution presentations they usually tiptoed on, and that they had had observers at every single collection and processing of DNA -  and not even one complained or found fault.

At the Massei trial in 2009, Dr Stefanoni gave a 137-slide PowerPoint presentation to the judges and lay judges to give them a basic understanding of DNA evidence and to help them understand the significance of the DNA evidence in this case.

It included the main forensic findings, images, photographs, the DNA profiles of Meredith and the three defendants and the electropherograms.

One of the last pieces of forensic evidence Dr Stefanoni presented to the court during this PowerPoint presentation was a Luminol footprint - Rep.180 - that was found in Amanda Knox’s room.

Rep 180 was attributed to Knox because it matched her foot size. There were two other Luminol footprints in her room, but Dr Stefanoni regarded this Luminol footprint as particularly significant evidence against her.



Rep 180 - see version with Knox measurements below

2. Why Rep 180 Is So Telling

In this post, I’ll carefully examine the reasons why Dr Stefanoni considers Rep 180 to be significant evidence against Amanda Knox as well as consider the significance of the other Luminol prints in Amanda Knox’s room.

I’ll also explain why Judge Masse and Judge Marasca were both wrong to think they know about forensic science that some of Italy top DNA experts and debunk the myth that a negative TMB test result means the Luminol wasn’t reacting to blood.

Prosecution case on bedroom prints

On 18 December 2007, the Scientific Police completed their forensic investigation at the cottage. They collected more DNA evidence and they sprayed Luminol on the floor of different rooms in the cottage to see whether there were any traces of blood that had been cleaned up.

It was a safe bet that there would be bare bloody footprints at the cottage because there wasn’t a trail of bare bloody footprints leading up to the bare bloody footprint in the small bathroom. The Scientific Police sprayed the hallway outside the small bathroom and a number of bare bloody footprints magically appeared.

Unsurprisingly, they matched the foot sizes of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. They had been arrested on 6 November 2007 after they had both lied repeatedly to the police and changed their stories dramatically. The DNA and forensic evidence was starting to provide the explanation for Knox and Sollecito’s multiple false alibis and numerous lies

There were two Luminol traces in Filomena’s room - where the break-in was staged - and three Luminol footprints in Amanda Knox’s room. Two of the luminol prints contained the DNA of Amanda Knox and Meredith; one was in the hallway and the other was in Filomena’s room.

Judge Massei and Judge Nencini accepted the Luminol prints as damning evidence against Knox and Sollecito because they matched their feet and they reasoned the Luminol must have reacting to Meredith’s blood as there was an abundance of her blood at the cottage.

The defence experts had pointed out that Luminol also reacts to other substances such as rust and fruit juice. The idea that Knox and Sollecito had dipped their feet in rust or turnip juice and then walked around the cottage in bare feet is too ridiculous to take seriously.

Judge Massei interprets Knox’s prints

Judge Massei thinks Amanda Knox tracked Meredith’s blood into Filomena’s room and her own room when she was checking to see what the situation was outside of the cottage.

These traces, besides constituting further evidence of the presence of Amanda in Meredith’s room when she was killed, lead us to believe that Amanda and Raffaele, before deciding to break the glass in the window of Romanelli’s room and leave the house, wished to make sure that there was no-one in the street; a worry that may have had its basis both in the scream let out by Meredith and which could have been heard by someone who, being in the street, had stopped in curiosity, and in the presence, only slightly earlier, of a broken-down car, in the very near [409] vicinity of the house on Via della Pergola, a car which both Amanda and Raffaele must have noticed when they entered the house; in fact, it should be considered that Raffaele must have already noticed the presence of such a vehicle when he was in the square in front of the University when, as Curatolo testified, he went close to the grating located there in order to look below, where that same broken-down car, causing an obstruction to the traffic, may have caused horns to be blown.

“The biological traces attributable to Amanda (one to Amanda alone and one to Amanda and Meredith) highlighted by Luminol and present in the rooms of Amanda and Romanelli can therefore be adequately explained by the need to check what the situation outside the house was, and to do this Amanda had to look from the window of her own room and from the window of Romanelli’s room, leaving in these areas the prints which were then highlighted by Luminol.” (Judge Massei’s report, pages 380-381).

This is a very plausible scenario. However, it should be pointed out that Dr Stefanoni and Judge Massei don’t completely agree on the DNA evidence and the Luminol prints.

Dr Stefanoni claims Amanda Knox was bleeding on the night of the murder and her blood was mixed with Meredith’s blood in three different locations at the cottage: in three sports in the small bathroom, in a Luminol footprint the hallway and in a Luminol trace in Filomena’s room.

Dr Stefanoni’s forensic finding that Amanda Knox’s blood was mixed with Meredith’s blood in three different locations at the cottage has been confirmed by Professor Biondo - the head of the DNA Unit of the Scientific Police - and Professor Garofano - the former head of the RIS Carabinieri.

Judge Massei thinks Amanda Knox’s DNA - not her blood - was mixed with Meredith’s blood in the small bathroom, the hallway and Filomena’s room. However, he doesn’t provide any scientific evidence to support his assertion. As I’ve pointed out before, Judge Massei has no forensic qualifications, experience or training. He clearly doesn’t know more about forensic science than Dr Stefanoni, Professor Garofano and Professor Biondo.

Dr Stefanoni is regarded as one of Italy’s leading forensic experts and that’s the reason why she was part of the disaster investigations team that was sent to the scene of the 2004 Asian tsunami to identify victims and she was appointed the Chief Technical Director in the Forensic Genetics Investigations section of the Scientific Police.

Why Dr Stefanoni sees Rep. 180 as hard evidence against Knox

On slide 136 of Dr Stefanoni’s PowerPoint presentation, she states that Rep. 180 is one of the “more significant biological results.”


“Approfondimento
alcuni risultati biologici più significativi
Rep.180: campionatura di presunta sostanza ematica evidenziata
mediante test del Luminol (st. KNOX)”

In-depth analysis
some more significant biological results
Rep. 180: sampling of presumed blood substance highlighted
by Luminol test (st. KNOX)

If you look at the electropherogram for Rep.180, you’ll understand why Dr Stefanoni regards it as significant evidence against Amanda Knox. Her DNA peaks are extremely high. Even higher than her peaks on the electropherogram for the cotton bud box. 14 peaks are over 1,000 RFUs, four peaks are over 2,000 RFUs and one peak is over 3,000 RFUs.

In other words, Amanda Knox’s DNA in this Luminol footprint clearly wasn’t touch DNA. It must have come from a source that provides an immense amount of DNA e.g. blood.


Professor Garofano pointed out that extremely high DNA peaks indicates the sample is undoubtedly blood:

“However, here is the electropherogram and you can see that the RFU value is very high, so the sample is undoubtedly blood, which is the body fluid that provides the greatest amount of DNA.” (Luciano Garafano, Darkness Descending, page 371).

There were three Luminol footprints in Amanda Knox’s room: Rep. 178, 179, 180 (L3, L4, L5). Dr Stefanoni thinks they all contained blood.

The pertinent question is: Whose blood was it?

The DNA test results can help us answer the question: all three of the Luminol prints in Amanda Knox’s room contained her DNA. None of them contained Meredith’s DNA.

The fact that that 14 of Amanda Knox DNA peaks in Rep.180 were over 1,000 RFUs indicates it was her blood.

These three forensic findings corroborate Professor Garofano’s claims there was “copious blood loss by Amanda” and that she “walked around in her own blood, blood that she also had on her body.”

Amanda Knox’s supporters like to point out that Judge Marasca claimed that TMB (Tetramethylbenzidine) test results proved there was no blood in the Luminol prints:

With reference to the asserted hematic traces in the other environments, especially in the corridor, there’s also an obvious misrepresentation of the proof. In fact, the progress-of-works reports of the Scientific Police had excluded, consequent to the use of a particular chemical reagent, that, in the examined environments, the traces highlighted by the luminol were of hematic nature. The work status reports despite being regularly compiled and registered in evidence, were not considered.” (Judge Marasca’s Supreme Court report).

Apart from the fact Judge Marasca isn’t a DNA expert, this is also clearly not true. Luminol and TMB tests are both presumptive tests - not confirmatory ones. In other words, a negative TMB test result doesn’t mean there was no blood.

Dr Sarah Gino - Amanda Knox’s forensic expert - acknowledged in court that a negative TMB test result doesn’t mean there was no blood in the Luminol prints:

“[Dr Sarah Gino] She underlined that the SAL [stato di avanzamento lavoro – work status report] reports which had been made available had shown that a generic diagnosis for blood had been performed and had given a negative result, and therefore it could not be said with certainty that blood was present in the material revealed by Luminol.” (The Massei report, page 282).

Judge Massei noted the reasons why there were negative TMB test results i.e. there wasn’t sufficient material to indicate the presence of blood and Dr Stefanoni had used most of the DNA to determine who it belonged to:

But it must be noted that the negative result for blood does not necessarily indicate that no blood was present. The result may have been negative because there was not sufficient material to indicate the presence of blood. Dr. Gino stated that in her experience there is a probabilistic relation to the number of cases in which the blood test comes out positive or negative. The negative result was also partly a consequence of Dr. Stefanoni’s choice to use most of the DNA to determine the individual profiles and only the remainder to attempt to determine the nature of the trace. “ (The Massei report, 282).

Judge Massei also noted out that Dr Stefanoni had explained it was preferable to know to whom the biological specimen belonged to rather than ascertaining the nature of it:

“The negative result of the test performed to determine the haematological nature of the material of specimen B does not per se exclude the haematological nature of the specimen.

Dr. Stefanoni, [when] questioned on this specific aspect, noted that since any DNA that might be present on the trace in question was certainly of a very small quantity, a minimal quantity was used to determine whether the trace was of a haematological nature or not: consequently the outcome of test, [which was] negative for blood, did not necessarily signify the non-haematological nature of the trace, as it might have been derived from too small a quantity of material to have allowed a positive result, even if that substance had been [310] blood.

She [Dr. Stefanoni] explained that such a choice, whereby the greatest quantity of DNA had been used to determine the biological profile rather than the nature of the specimen, provided a basis for the subsequent assessments: it is preferable to know to whom a given biological specimen is attributable, rather than ascertaining the nature of that same specimen, without any possibility of attributing it to anyone.” (The Massei report, page 288).

Judge Massei pointed out that the defence experts didn’t put forward a significant counter-argument to Dr Stefanoni’s claim that a negative TMB test doesn’t necessarily mean there was no blood:

With respect to the affirmation according to which the negative test for blood does not necessarily signify absence of blood in the sample being analysed, no significant counter-arguments were put forward. Moreover, Dr. Stefanoni’s explanation of this point seems convincing: if the quantity is minimal, the negative outcome of the test may also be a result of the insufficient quantity used for the test itself.” (The Massei report, page 288).

Judge Marasa’s ignorance with regard to forensic science led him to assuming that a negative TMB test result means there was no blood in the Luminol prints and traces at the cottage. He essentially accused Dr Stefanoni of misleading the Massei court about the TMB test results when she did no such thing.

She specifically pointed out that the Luminol identified presumed blood traces in the Luminol prints in her official court report for the Massei trial.:

‘‘un profilo genetico derivante da mistura di sostanze biologiche (conententi presumibilemente ematica) appartenenti ad almeno dui individui entrambi di sesso femminile”

‘‘a genetic profile deriving from a mixture of biological substances (presumably containing blood) belonging to at least two individuals both of female gender.”

She also pointed out that TMB tests on blood traces revealed by Luminol have negative results about half the time,

“She added that, in her own experience, analyses performed with TMB on traces revealed by Luminol give about even results: 50% negative, 50% positive,” (The Massei report, page 258).

This is to be expected because Luminol is significantly more sensitive than TMB and that’s the reason why It is the blood detection technique most commonly used by forensic investigators.


Judge Marasca has not only accused Dr Stefanoni of being dishonest, he has also by extension accused Professor Garofano and Professor Biondo of being dishonest because they confirmed Dr Stefanoni’s forensic finding that the Luminol was reacting to blood. The only person who is guilty of misrepresenting the evidence is Judge Marasca.

It defies belief that Judge Marasca who has no forensic qualifications, experience or training thinks he knows more about the forensic science than two DNA experts who have PhDs in forensic science.

Dr Stefanoni and Professor Garofano have both pointed out that you can determine whether the Luminol was reacting to blood by the luminosity of the presumed blood trace and the DNA test results.

“But let’s see what the prints actually mean. First of all, from their sheer luminosity they are blood. The DNA test showed Meredith’s blood in all cases except for two places in which we have a mixed Amanda and Meredith sample.” (Professor Garofano).

“So I, with genetic analysis, can say with certainty that there was blood”. (Dr Stefanoni).

“in other words everything that is not blood, is nonetheless different even if it is still a bluish fluorescence: that is, the colour does not change, [but] the intensity and the duration change. So in effect, the intensity, thus, of that blue or that azure, so intense, is not given off, in general, by other reagents that are not blood: they give a weaker fluorescence”. (Dr Stefanoni).

3. Some conclusions from the above

Sometimes judges make embarrassing schoolboy errors. This usually happens when they arrogantly opine about subjects they know nothing about.

Judge Masipa didn’t understand the legal concept of dolus evantualis and applied it incorrectly when acquitting Pistorius of the murder of Reeva Steenkamp.

In South African law, under the principle of dolus eventualis, a person can be convicted of murder if they foresaw the possibility of their actions resulting in the death of someone but continued regardless.

Judge Hellmann claimed obtaining the same result twice does not increase the reliability of the result. He was referring to carrying on a test on the remaining DNA on the blade of Sollecito’s kitchen knife.

Mathematicians Leila Schneps and Coralie Colmez point out in their excellent book Math on Trial that Hellmann’s comments show a ‘’complete misunderstanding of the probabilistic result of considering two separate results from two performances of the same test.’’

Judge Marasca’s claim the TMB test results means there was was no blood in the Luminol prints is demonstrably false. The defence experts didn’t even claim this. He can be inducted into the hall of shame alongside Judge Masipa and Judge Hellman for judges who have made embarrassing and painfully stupid mistakes.

But let’s not let the stupidity of the judges mentioned above distract us from the significance of the three Luminol prints found in Amanda Knox’s room, especially Rep.180.

Judge Massei thinks Amanda Knox tracked Meredith’s blood into her own room when she was checking to see what the situation was outside of the cottage. It seems she also tracked her own blood into her room and a lot of it.

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Thursday, June 18, 2020

An Unusual Three-Way Example Of Warring Justice Systems

Posted by Peter Quennell


Germany v. Portugal v. United Kingdom?!

This three-way example of warring justice systems, none of them being Italian, has suddenly flashed into the news.

Germany seems to be on to something but its handling of the Portugal and UK ends of things does seem a tad peculiar.

They say they have proof of Madeleine’s death and wrote to the parents - who were saying they never got any letter. WTF?!

 


In contrast, Italy is respected for its exceptional international co-operation on justice matters

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We have no three-way examples involving Italy - just these two bilateral examples: (1) the fugitive CIA operator/mullah-kidnapper; and (2) the crew of the Italian tanker that fired on some Indian fishermen.

In each case Italy gave way pretty gracefully.

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Sunday, June 14, 2020

Global Justice Systems Lurch? Bottom Up?  What Italy Has Taught Us #1

Posted by Peter Quennell


Our Dog In This Fight

We long ago suggested that Meredith’s legacy could be some invaluable systems change.

And now sweeping justice systems change is in the air in the US, and to some extent elsewhere. As we have long documented in comparing Italy favorably with the US: it is really not before time.

Just about every TJMK post since mid 2008 has had as text or sub-text how investigators, prosecutors, courts and media have performed.

We learned a thing or two. For example windows of opportunity are periodic, Italy saw one after 1945, and the US is seeing a big one right now.

And though the job isn’t finished yet, Italy has refined its systems more than most and is already a global model. 

And especially, good change wont ever be created and sustained if the systems are not addressed directly.

The systems (which go under many other names too: playbook, protocol, procedure, process, app, skill, technique) should never simply be an afterthought of legislation or left to somebody else.

They really need help from all of us, in myriad teams, and they really are The Heavy Lift.

These are some of our many past posts checking out and comparing systems which have “system” or “systems” right in their headers.

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Italian systems are among the global best. Crime and incarceration and recidivism are all very low. Opinion polls consistently show that the police and courts are trusted and well-liked. 

Ironically in Meredith’s case though the unique tilt toward extreme fairness helped to allow Sollecito and Knox to walk.

No other countries would have allowed automatic appeals on grounds so broad. The defense appeal case before the Fifth Chambers was huge and consisted very largely of innuendo and outright lies, which you can see reflected in the Fifth Chambers report.

Italy learns fast as explained in this post and the corrupt means the Knox and Sollecito teams used have already been made impossible going forward.

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Monday, June 01, 2020

Yet More Damning Evidence That Knox And Meredith Had A Physical Confrontation On The Night

Posted by The Machine

The excellent BBC report referred to below

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1. Our New Translations Continue To Talk

Hoax 4 “No firm DNA” in our right column actually consists of various sub-hoaxes, most of which I and many others here have demolished in the past. 

This post is about the “no mixed blood” sub-hoax. This is one of many evidence points quite pivotal to Amanda Knox’s major and continuing “I’m the real victim” fraud.

In this post, I’m going to debunk the myth that Dr Stefanoni never claimed there was mixed-blood evidence once and for all by providing verbatim quotations from her official report for the Massei court in 2009 and her testimony at the Micheli trial in 2008.

I’ll also put the mixed-blood evidence under the microscope and analyse the reasons why some of Italy’s top DNA experts from the Scientific Police and the RIS Carabinieri believe Amanda Knox’s blood was mixed with Meredith’s blood in different locations in the cottage.

2. Quotes From Experts And Reporters

Andrea Vogt and Barbie Nadeau

Andrea Vogt and Barbie Nadeau repeatedly reported that the prosecution’s experts from the Scientific Police had claimed that Amanda Knox’s blood was mixed with Meredith’s blood in different locations in the cottage.

Dr Stefanoni and the prosecution regarded this as damning evidence against Amanda Knox because it indicates that Knox and Meredith were both bleeding at the same time on the night of the murder and there must have been confrontation between the two.

Andrea Vogt and Barbie Nadeau are both fluent in Italian, they have access to the prosecution’s 10,000-page file and they observed the prosecution’s experts testifying in court at both Rudy Guede’s fast-track trial in 2008 and Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito’s trial in 2009. Despite this, a number of people have attempted to dismiss their reports as fake news or claim they didn’t understand what was being said in court.

However, it should be pointed out it wasn’t only Andrea Vogt and Barbie Nadeau who spoke about the mixed-blood evidence. Judge Gemelli specifically referred to the mixed-blood evidence in his Supreme Court report in 2008:

“to both the women the blood traces found in the bidet.” (Judge Gemelli’s Supreme Court report).

“quelle rinvenute nel lavandino, ad entrambe le ragazze le tracce di sangue rilevate nel bidet”

The Kerchers’ lawyer Francesco Maresca told the media outside the courtroom that the mixed-blood evidence was the most damning piece of evidence against Amanda Knox.

In Andrea Vogt’s excellent BBC documentary, the mixed-blood evidence is the first DNA evidence that is mentioned:

“First, there’s the DNA found in the bathroom. The prosecution says it shows the mixed blood of Amanda Knox and Meredith Kercher in the bidet drain, the sink drain and on a cotton bud box.  There’s also a large drop of Amanda’s blood on the bathroom tap.

“According to the prosecutor, this shows Amanda and Meredith were bleeding at the same time.

Strong evidence there was a fight.”

Trial Prosecutor Dr Comodi

Manuela Comodi also regards the mixed blood evidence as the main evidence against Knox:

“The principal evidence was mixed-blood traces from which were extracted mixed DNA of Amanda and Meredith. The only explanation for that mix is that Amanda was bleeding and touched objects covered in Meredith’s blood. There’s no other explanation.” (Manuela Comodi).

In case anyone doubts the quotations attributed to Manuela Comodi, she specifically refers to “sangue misto” - which is mixed blood - in the documentary.

Andrea Vogt and Barbie Nadeau, Judge Gemelli, Manuela Comodi and Francesco Maresca wouldn’t have specifically referred to the mixed-blood evidence if Dr Stefanoni hadn’t referred to in her official reports for the courts or whilst she was on the stand in court.

Victim’s Lawyer Dr Maresca

In Dr Maresca’s closing arguments at trial in 2009 he repeatedly refers to the mixed-blood evidence and cites the page numbers from Dr Stefanoni’s report to support his assertions:

“I refer to the report, in the records of Dr. Stefanoni acquired at the beginning of the hearing, sampling of presumed blood substance highlighted by luminol technique performed on the floor located in the room used by Romanelli Filomena, is described in page 219 finding 177 I repeat of fundamental importance, a measure of biological substance, two individuals, both women, provided a compatibility result, is compatible with the hypothesis of measurement of biological substance containing blood substance belonging to Knox Amanda and Kercher Meredith.

“Dr. Stefanoni papers 124 and 125 and the results that she inserts in her report tell us that beyond the drawing or not carried out with the same swabs also the other three report the same profile confirming that evidently the genetic profile obtained clearly corresponds to the fact there was a mixture of blood substance between the victim and Amanda Knox”.



Electropherogram of mixed-blood trace, cotton bud box #1 of 3

Dr Stefanoni’s testimony at the Massei trial

Dr Stefanoni categorically states there were three biological substances containing blood belonging to Amanda Knox and Meredith in the small bathroom and two mixed samples presumably containing blood belonging to Amanda Knox and Meredith in her official report for the Massei report.

Mixed blood in Filomena’s room (Rep.177, page 219)

‘‘un profilo genetico derivante da mistura di sostanze biologiche (conententi presumibilemente ematica)appartenenti ad almeno dui individui entrambi di sesso femmminile. Il confronto effettuati tra il genotipo derivante dalla traccia del Rep.177 con quelli appartenenti a KERCHER Meredith Susanna Cara e KNOX Amanda Marie’‘.

‘‘a genetic profile deriving from a mixture of biological substances (presumably containing blood) belonging to at least two individuals both of female gender. The comparison made between the genotype deriving from the trace of the Rep. 177 with those belonging to KERCHER Meredith Susanna Cara and KNOX Amanda Marie’‘.

Mixed blood in the bidet (Rep.66, page 119 )

‘‘The bidet: un profilo genetico derivante da mistura di sostanze biologiche conententi sangue umano appartenenti KNOX Amanda Marie (in misura minora) e KERCHER Meredith Susanna Cara (in misura maggiore)’‘.

‘‘a genetic profile deriving from a mixture of biological substances containing human blood belonging to KNOX Amanda Marie (to a lesser extent) and KERCHER Meredith Susanna Cara’‘.

Mixed blood on the cotton bud box and the basin (Rep 136-7, page 175)

‘‘contenenti certamente sostanze ematica appartenenti ad almeno dui individui entrambi di sesso femminile. Il confronto effettuati tra il genotipo derivante dalla due tracce analizzate con quelli appartenenti a KERCHER Meredith Susanna Cara e KNOX Amanda Marie’‘.

‘‘a genetic profile deriving from a mixture of biological substances certainly containing blood substances belonging to at least two individuals both of female gender. The comparison made between the genotype deriving from the two traces analyzed with those belonging to KERCHER Meredith Susanna Cara and KNOX Amanda Marie’‘

Mixed blood in the hallway (Rep.183, page 224)

‘‘un profilo genetico derivante da mistura di sostanze biologiche (conententi presumibilemente ematica)appartenenti ad almeno dui individui entrambi di sesso femmminile. Il confronto effettuati tra il genotipo derivante dalla traccia del Rep.183 con quelli appartenenti a KERCHER Meredith Susanna Cara e KNOX Amanda Marie’‘.

‘‘a genetic profile deriving from a mixture of biological substances (presumably containing blood) belonging to at least two individuals both of female gender. The comparison made between the genotype deriving from the trace of the Rep. 183 with those belonging to KERCHER Meredith Susanna Cara and KNOX Amanda Marie’‘.

Dr Stefanoni’s testimony at the Micheli trial

Dr Stefanoni categorically stated Amanda Knox’s blood was mixed with Meredith’s blood in three different spots in the small bathroom when testifying at Rudy Guede’s fast-track trial in 2008:

“mi spiego, almeno cerco di spiegarmi, allora bagno io non ho trovato soltanto una traccia ematica mista, ne ho trovato soltanto tre, piu o meno in zone molte vicinie quindi sulla scatola del cotton fioc, nel lavindo e vicino, nei pressi della scarico del bidet, tutte tre queste tracce apparivano ad occhio non essere sangue intero, mi spiego, non essere sangue cosi come viene fuori du una ferita, questa e sangue contente acqua, per il fatto del colore era practicamente rosato, per cui il fatto che per coincidenza questa tre tracce siano state poste in temp diversi mi sembra improbabile ma non lo escludo perche il DNA non datible cioe si. puo ritrovare DNA anche dopo anni.

“I’ll explain myself, at least I try to explain myself, then in the bathroom I didn’t just find one mixed-blood trace, I found three, more or less in areas very close to the cotton swab box, in the washbasin and nearby, near the drain of the bidet, all three of these traces appeared to the eye not to be whole blood, I mean, not to be blood as it comes out of a wound, this is blood containing water, due to the fact of the color it was practically pink, so it seems unlikely to me that these three traces have been placed at different times by some coincidence, but I do not exclude it because the DNA is not datable, that is yes. You can find DNA even after many years.” (Dr Stefanoni’s trial testimony, 4/10/2008 page 168)

“Una traccia ematica mista” is a mixed-blood trace.

Professor Torre asked her to confirm there was mixed blood and here’s her answer.

“Yes, the blood of both”

“Si, il sangue dell’uno e dell’altro” (Yes, the blood of one and the other).



Electropherogram of mixed-blood trace, cotton bud box #2 of 3

Confirmation from other experts

Which other experts believe Amanda Knox’s blood was mixed with Meredith’s blood?

Some of Italy’s top DNA experts from the Scientific Police and the RIS Caribinieri are sure Amanda Knox’s blood was mixed with Meredith’s blood in different locations in the cottage.

They quote a number of specific reasons i.e. there was more of Knox’s DNA in some of these mixed samples, the peaks were were of similar heights, indicating similar concentrations of DNA from both women in the samples, and some of Knox’s peaks were extremely high.

Touch DNA results in minute amounts of DNA being deposited, compared with that in blood. You can expect to find roughly ten times the number of cells in blood compared to the number of cells left from touching an object. White corpuscles provide an immense quantity of DNA compared with other substances.

According to the authors of Darkness Descending Dr Stefanoni explained to Dr Mignini how she knew Amanda Knox’s blood was mixed with Meredith - and not another substance like saliva.

“She said that she had identified a large blob of Amanda’s blood on the tap, and their blood was mixed in the basin, bidet and the cotton bud box. This meant Meredith and Amanda must have been bleeding at the same time. The implication was that Amanda had cut herself in the violence of the murder struggle. Stefanoni wanted to confirm this.

“‘Excuse my ignorance, sorry to interrupt,’ Mignini said. ‘Can you explain to me how you know the sample contains blood both from the victim and Knox? Couldn’t be just be the victim’s blood and say, another biological substance, saliva for example, from Knox?’ Stefanoni explained she knew both samples were blood because white corpuscles provide an immense quantity of DNA compared with other substances, and this sample contained a lot of Amanda’s DNA. ‘This in itself proves it is blood,’ said Stefanoni, and added ‘Actually, in some cases we see more of Amanda’s DNA than Meredith’s, such as here in the basin. This means that there is a lot of Amanda’s blood, not a smudge.’”

The explanation attributed to Dr Stefanoni is basically the same as General/Professor Garofano’s in the book.

“However, here is the electropherogram and you can see that the RFU value is very high, so the sample is undoubtedly blood, which is the body fluid that provides the greatest amount of DNA.

In some cases you see higher peaks of Amanda’s DNA than Meredith’s. Amanda has been bleeding. (Luciano Garafano, Darkness Descending, page 371).

“Let’s say the assassin used the basin and bidet to wash the knife: if you look at the electropherograms you’ll see that there seems to be more of Amanda Knox’s blood than Meredith’s. There is a copious blood loss by Amanda.”  (Luciano Garofano, Darkness Descending, page 374).

Back to Dr Stefanoni again

Dr Stefanoni testified in court that it’s possible to tell from the electropherogram who left the greater amount of blood in a mixed-blood sample:

‘‘the trace is composed of two DNAs in a quantitively different manner: maybe one has lost a tiny drop of blood and a big drop blood of the other ended up on top of it - thus a larger quantity of DNA - even this can be seen in this graph.”

Click below for a larger image. You can see in the overlay graph that some of Amanda Knox’s peaks are higher than Meredith’s.



Electropherogram of mixed-blood trace, cotton bud box #3 of 3

3. Closer look at mixed-blood evidence

This further analysis now proceeds location-by-location within the entire crime scene.

Mixed-blood evidence in hallway and Filomena’s room

Professor Garofano says the Luminol-revealed prints at the cottage are in blood because of their high luminosity and the DNA test indicated the presence of Meredith’s blood:

“But let’s see what the prints actually mean. First of all, from their sheer luminosity they are blood. The DNA test showed Meredith’s blood in all cases except for two places in which we have a mixed Amanda and Meredith sample.”

Dr Stefanoni made the same points when speaking about the Luminol prints when she was being questioned on the stand during the Massei trial:

“So I, with genetic analysis, can say with certainty that there was blood”.

She also pointed out the Luminol reacts to differently to blood compared to other substances:

“in other words everything that is not blood, is nonetheless different even if it is still a bluish fluorescence: that is, the colour does not change, [but] the intensity and the duration change. So in effect, the intensity, thus, of that blue or that azure, so intense, is not given off, in general, by other reagents that are not blood: they give a weaker fluorescence”.

Prosecutor Manuela Comodi pointed out that Dr Stefanoni had ruled out the Luminol could have been reacting to a substance other than blood:

“Remember, Stefanoni also took samples of those traces on the floor, sometimes finding the victim’s DNA, sometimes the victim’s / Knox’s mixed DNA, specifying: she would never have been able to find any DNA if the trace had been produced from rust, fruit juice or bleach.”

Here’s the relevant courtroom testimony:

QUESTION - Excuse me, doctor, you said before that since luminol enhances different substances not only blood cannot assert precisely the biological nature of those traces enhanced with luminol, but I ask you: you sampled in the biological inspection those traces there enhanced with luminol and found genetic profiles, if that trace had been produced by bleach would the genetic profiles have found them?

ANSWER - No, because bleach destroys DNA.

QUESTION - Exactly I say it was material other than biological material, let’s not call it blood, let’s call it generically biological material, it was rust, it was fruit juice, etc., would it have found genetic profiles?

ANSWER - No, DNA is specific ... that analysis is specific to human DNA. We said this.

Mixed-blood evidence in small bathroom #1

Barbie Nadeau told Denis Murphy from NBC that the mixed-blood evidence in the bidet convinced Dr Stefanoni that Knox was involved in Meredith’s murder:

“The most damaging forensic evidence against Amanda was what the prosecution’s expert said was mixed blood DNA of Amanda and Meredith found on the drain of the bidet.”

“Barbie Nadeau: She was convinced that it showed that Amanda Knox was involved in this crime.”

There was a live chat with Barbie Nadeau on The Daily Beast website and Bruce Fischer - a muddled fur coat salesman from Chicago’s outer suburbs - disagreed with Barbie’s claim there was mixed-blood evidence. This was her response:

“There are mixed genetic traces in spots of blood in which Amanda’s traces are higher than Meredith’s. That implies mixed blood according to the dozens of forensics experts I’ve interviewed about this.” (Barbie Nadeau, The Daily Beast).

It speaks volumes about Barbie’s diligence and her ethical commitment to the truth that she checked to see whether dozens of forensic scientists agreed with Dr Stefanoni’s claim. Barbie wasn’t prepared to accept her claim at face value. It should also be noted that they did agree.

Mixed-blood evidence in small bathroom #2

We look here at the significance of the three mixed-blood traces in the small bathroom in relation to Amanda Knox’s blood on the tap

Both Dr Stefanoni and Professor Garofano think it’s significant that Amanda Knox’s blood was found alone on the tap close to the three mixed-blood samples in the small bathroom because it provides further corroboration that Amanda Knox’s blood was mixed with Meredith’s blood.

Professor Garofano said it ”is logical to the put bloodstain in relation with the blood in the bidet and washbasin”.

Dr Stefanoni also thought it is significant there were three mixed-blood samples in the small bathroom were close to Knox’s blood on the tap. She made this point at Rudy Guede’s fast-track trial:

“So, let’s say, this reasoning that has been addressed by both you and Professor Torre is not taken into account, however, also of another circumstance which, however, must be recognized if you do not express a judgment, let’s say, of any kind that always in the narrow sampling area, just a short distance from the traces of the cotton swab, from the traces in the sink and from the traces in the bidet which were, let’s say, objects close enough, let’s say, in the space there is also a trace of blood not apparently washed out whole blood, as I say, on the tap of this sink that belongs only to a person [Amanda Knox].”

Amanda Knox’s forensic expert Sarah Gino acknowledges that Knox’s blood might have been mixed with Meredith’s blood, though she also claims it’s possible the blood was left at different times:

“Maybe there was blood from both of them [Amanda Knox and Meredith Kercher], but what does that mean? Maybe someone had a bloody nose one time and then at another moment someone cut their finger and put it down and their blood got mixed.” (Dr Sarah Gino, Amanda Knox’s forensic expert).

But Professor Garofano for one ruled out the possibility that Knox’s blood on the tap was old blood and it was touched it:

“Amanda’s blood is recent. It is dry, but it hasn’t been touched or cleaned. There is no fingerprint in it.”

Professor Garofano also ruled out the possibility that the blood in the basin was old blood:

“Nor is it old blood as the defence might say, because blood decays fast.”

Francesco Maresca pointed out in his closing arguments that Amanda Knox herself had admitted there was no blood in the small bathroom on the afternoon of 1 November 2007:

“Just a few seconds to draw your attention to some passages of the examination made in front of you by Amanda Knox, in cards 49 she reiterates that on November 1st, the afternoon before the murder, obviously there were no traces of blood in the bathroom and in the house”.

4. Various Conclusions From All Of This

The extract of Dr Stefanoni’s courtroom testimony above from the Micheli trial shatters the myth that she didn’t claim there was mixed-blood evidence.

It also proves that Andrea Vogt and Barbie Nadeau weren’t lying and they didn’t misunderstand what had been said in court.

Also Judge Massei didn’t confirm the prosecution’s assertion that Amanda Knox’s blood was mixed with Meredith because, he said, Dr Stefanoni didn’t definitively rule out the possibility that Knox’s DNA was from a substance other than blood and the fact she didn’t have any visible wounds.

It should be pointed out that Judge Massei isn’t a forensic scientist. He doesn’t have any forensic qualifications, experience or training. He doesn’t know how to read and interpret electropherograms.

However, he still thought the mixed traces in the small bathroom were evidence that she had washed Meredith’s blood off in the small bathroom so he tilted toward Dr Stefanoni.

The Italian Supreme Court agreed with how Massei handled this said the mixed traces were “eloquent proof” she had washed Meredith’s blood off in the small bathroom - which is still damning evidence against her.

Dr Stefanoni’s forensic finding that Amanda Knox’s blood was mixed with Meredith’s blood in different locations in the cottage has been confirmed by Dr Biondo - the head of the DNA Unit of the Scientific Police - and Professor Garofano - the former head of the RIS Carabinieri. They both have PhDs in forensic science. It’s safe to assume they know what they’re talking about.

Amanda Knox’s hardcore supporters have claimed for years that they have read all the official court transcripts (really? most are still not translated) and they were absolutely adamant that Dr Stefanoni didn’t testify there was mixed-blood evidence.

They were lying - clearly - and they were completely wrong. There’s no justification for their absolute certainty.  No-one should believe anything they say unless it can be corroborated because they have proved themselves to be dishonest and untrustworthy time and time again.

I’d rather trust the professional opinions of DNA experts such as Dr Stefanoni, Dr Biondo and Professor Garofano than someone who has no forensic qualifications or experience. They are well-qualified and extremely experienced forensic scientists who have analysed DNA evidence from countless crime scenes.

Very fine work.

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Monday, May 18, 2020

CV Update: Spreading Perceptions Of Glutathione As An Immunity-Boosting V Big Deal

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A quick and probably final update. As glutathione is not a drug there is no multi-million advertising campaign to get the word out.

Still, serious virus/glutathione studies with positive conclusions are coming online several times a week, and anti-virus nutrition advice almost invariably includes NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) which with some selenium converts to glutathione in the body.

And in the US a few widely read or viewed tales of individual recoveries are appearing in the popular media, like the top link below.

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Sunday, May 10, 2020

Does This Knox DNA Evidence Add To The Proofs She Was Part Of The Pack Attack?

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Professor Vinci

1. Context Within The Wider Case

One aspect of the case that incessantly amuses Italians? Sollecito and Knox stabbing each other in the back again and again and again.

More often the aggressor has been Sollecito, who angrily sold Knox down the river on the night they were both arrested, and, despite the absurd claims in Honour Bound, he never confirmed her final alibi from 2007 through 2015.

In mid 2008 their lawyers forced a truce of sorts upon them. But then in October this happened.

The Sollecito defense witness Professor Francesco Vinci implied that the evidence was strong if not quite definitive that Knox had indeed attacked Meredith inside her room and, like Sollecito, had left her DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp.

”Lawyers for Mr Sollecito have told the judge that, according to a forensic expert called by the defence, Ms Knox’s DNA is on Ms Kercher’s bloodied bra-strap as well as that of Mr Sollecito and Rudy Guede.” (Richard Owen, The Times)

“Francesco Vinci, a forensic science expert hired by Sollecito’s legal team, said the DNA of all three suspects and two other unidentified people might be on the bra. Sollecito’s lawyers say this proves their theory that the clasp was contaminated after police mistakenly left it on the floor of Kercher’s bedroom for weeks before testing it.” (Tom Kington, The Guardian).


Now, many who simply don’t know the case - ignoring Knox’s lamp inside Meredith’s locked door, and ignoring Meredith’s DNA mingled with Knox’s in several locations - claim that there’s zero evidence of Knox being in the room.

One instance. In the final Cassation report Judge Marasca claimed the lack of biological traces attributable to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in Meredith’s room was “proof” they weren’t physically involved in her murder.

It was a point he made repeatedly. He clearly doesn’t understand one of the most basic tenets of forensic science i.e. absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence.



Ted Simon

Another instance. The hapless lawyer Ted Simon, who represented Amanda Knox to American media for a while, also claimed there were no biological traces attributable to Knox in Meredith’s room.

He was like a stuck record in media interviews - he hammered this particular point over and over again as if this was exculpatory evidence that by itself proves Knox wasn’t involved in Meredith’s death - which of course isn’t true.

“There was no hair, fiber, footprint, shoe print, handprint, palm print, fingerprint, sweat, saliva, DNA of Amanda Knox in the room where Meredith Kercher was killed,” attorney Theodore Simon told TODAY’s Savannah Guthrie. “That in and of itself tells you unassailably that she is innocent.” (CNN)

To which we showed up his sheer absurdity in responding:

“There was no hair, fiber, footprint, shoe print, handprint, palm print, fingerprint, sweat, saliva, DNA of Rudy Guede in the bathroom where there was a bloody footprint of RS and DNA of Knox,” attorney Theodore Simon told TODAY’s Savannah Guthrie. “That in and of itself tells you unassailably that Guede did not do the crime alone.”

“There was no hair, fiber, footprint, shoe print, handprint, palm print, fingerprint, sweat, saliva, DNA of Rudy Guede in Filomena’s room where the breakin was staged, though there was Knox’s DNA” attorney Theodore Simon told TODAY’s Savannah Guthrie. “That in and of itself tells you unassailably that Amanda Knox is framing him.”

“There was no hair, fiber, footprint, shoe print, handprint, palm print, fingerprint, sweat, saliva, DNA of Amanda Knox in the bedroom where Knox said she slept,” attorney Theodore Simon told TODAY’s Savannah Guthrie. “That in and of itself tells you unassailably that Knox did not even live in the flat.”

2. A Close Look At The Bra Clasp Evidence

A number of DNA experts disagree with claims like these that there was no trace of Amanda Knox in Meredith’s room, and that that by itself proved innocence.

The fact that one of Sollecito’s defence experts, Professor Vinci, had claimed Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp was quite widely reported in the English media at the time.

I don’t recall ever seeing any mention of Professor Vinci’s findings in any articles in the US media. It seems that David Marriott made sure via his usual threats to brush this under the carpet.

The default position of the defence experts is that ALL the DNA evidence against the two white people was contaminated and predictably Professor Vinci does take this line too. Money talks - just ask Ted Simon. He dramatically changed his tune with regard to the strength of evidence against Amanda Knox as soon as he was hired by her family.

But Professor Vinci does devote four pages of his official court report - pages 9-12 - to explaining why he believes Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp. He thinks the peaks defined by Dr. Stefanoni as “stutter bands” were actually the genetic profiles of both Knox and Guede.

Professor Vinci’s Report (translated)

From our observations, as stated above and in particular to our different interpretation of the peaks defined by Dr. Stefanoni as “stutter bands” lead us to believe

for the marker D8S1179, the definition of alleles 11 (although being slightly below the threshold), 12 and 14, would show compatibility with the Knox (11/12) and Guede (14/14) genotypes;

for the marker D21S11, the definition of the allele 29 in addition to those defined in the profile indicated by Dr. Stefanoni, identifies the compatibility with the genotypes of Knox (29/30), and of Guede (29/29);

for the CFS1P0 marker, the new profile definition highlights the compatibility with the Knox profile (29/30);

for the D3S1358 marker, the new profile definition shows compatibility with the Guede genotypes (15/15, although 15 is just below the 50 RFU threshold) and Knox (15/18, although 15 is slightly below 50 RFU threshold);

for the TH01 marker, the new profile definition highlights the compatibility with the Knox (6/8) and Guede (7/9, genotypes, where however the allele 7 can only be hypothesized because the characteristics related to the area, at the allelic definition and at the height of the peak);

for the D13S317 marker, the compatibility with the Knox genotypes is highlighted (11/13,

where however the allele 11 can only be hypothesized for the D16S539 marker, compatibility with the Knox genotype (10/11) and the Guede genotype (9/11, where the allele 9 can only be hypothesized because the characteristics relating to the area, to the definition are missing allelic and at the height of the peak);

for the D2S1338 marker, the analysis of the new profile shows compatibility with the Guede genotype (16/23) and with the Knox genotype (18/20, where 18 can only be hypothesized below the 50 RFU threshold);

for the D19S433 marker, the analysis of the new profile shows compatibility with that of Knox (13/16, 2, although the latter can only be hypothesized because it lacks the information necessary for its definition); and with that of Guede (13 / 14.2, although the latter can only be hypothesized because it lacks the information necessary for its definition);

for the TP0X marker, the analysis of the new profile highlights compatible with that of Knox (8/8) and with that of Guede (8/9);

for the D18S51 marker, the analysis of the new profile highlights compatible with that of Knox (13/17) and with that of Guede (14/15);

for the D5S818 marker, the analysis of the new profile highlights compatible with that of Knox (13/13) and with that of Guede (12/13);

CONCLUSIVE SUMMARY

On the basis of what has been observed, the superficiality in the attribution of the alleles and the intrinsic complexity of the interpretation of a mistra made up, in our opinion, of at least 3 different DNAs, in addition to Kercher’s.

In considering the alleles and the underlying areas for each peak, it is evident that they are the expression of various genotypic combinations in addition to those considered compatible.

In relation to the latter aspect, it should be emphasized that in light of the new profile obtained by us, considering the alleles previously omitted, compatibility with further genetic profiles other than that of Raffaele Sollecito is highlighted; especially these genetic profiles

In relation to this last aspect, it should be emphasized that the new profile by us, considering the previously omitted alleles, highlights the compatibility with further genetic profiles other than that of Raffaele Sollecito, in particular these genetic profiles are compatible with some attributes to Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede.

And here is his conclusion on pages 11-12.

‘in particulari questi profili genetici risultano compatibili con alcuni marcatori attributi a Amanda Knox e Rudy Guede’

‘in particular these genetic profiles are compatible with some markers attributed to Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede’.

You can see his detailed analysis in Italian on our Wiki.

There are a couple of points that should make everyone pause for thought: (1) Professor Vinci was still a defence expert, so he wouldn’t really want to express an opinion that wrongly implicated Sollecito’s co-defendant; and (2) General Garofano agrees that Amanda Knox’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp.



General Garofano

General (and Professor) Garofano gives a detailed explanation why in Paul Russell’s Darkness Descending.

”Look at the electropherogram and compare the three. Of course, Meredith’s DNA is overwhelmingly present, but look at this. If we go along the graph line, yes we have a lot of Raffaele too, but in the first locus we have eleven and twelve STRs, which is the same as in Amanda’s DNA profile, twenty-nine and thirty X remember - one from the father and one from the mother - in the second, eight, and eleven in the third, also the same as Amanda’s DNA profile, maybe a fifteen in the fifth…look, ten out of 15 loci have peaks that correspond to Amanda DNA’s profile. The hypothesis is that Amanda also touched the bra clasp.

My conclusion is that the bra clasp certainly works as a piece of evidence - it is a strong clue against the suspects Amanda and Raffaele. The RFU number is high enough. So the result is perfect.”

Amanda Knox’s supporters try hard to dismiss Professor Garofano because he clearly considers Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are guilty.

However, it should be pointed out that he has impeccable credentials as an DNA expert. He was the founder of the RIS Caribinieri labs. That’s the equivalent of him being the head of the Forensic Science Service in England or the head of the FBI’s forensic science labs at Quantico.

When the Darknesss Descending authors approached him, they didn’t know whether he would accept or reject the Scientific Police’s forensic findings. He gave his expert opinion as an impartial scientist after carefully studying the evidence and analysing the DNA test results.

According to the authors of Darkness Descending, Dr Stefanoni also thought Amanda Knox’s partial DNA profile was on Meredith’s bra clasp.

“Two different graphs had been drawn from the material extracted from the bra clasp, one for the cloth and one for the bent hook. The cloth clearly indicated Meredith, and only Meredith. But the hook showed at least three peaks for every locus. Each peak had a little number by it, which indicated the number of repeats in the sample of that particular molecule. The numbers indicated the distinguishing features of the individual who had touched the bra clasp. The numbers rang out.

“Stefanoni spelled it out ‘Locus D8S1179,13,10,5 - yes, this works for Sollecito, Meredith and Amanda. Locus D18S51, D19S433, TH01, FGA - Sollecito and Meredith plus an unknown person.”

The police scientist called out all sixteen loci and after each the numbers set next to the peaks. They fit perfectly with Raffaele Sollecito and partially with Amanda Knox - DNA from both of them was on the bra clasp. End of story, they felt.

“Stefanoni was pleased. This was the first strong evidence they had against Raffaele Sollecito. The presence of Amanda Knox was a very reassuring bonus.”

After reading Professor Vinci’s reasons for believing Amanda Knox’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp in his official court report, you’ll see they are essentially the same as Dr Stefanoni’s. They mention the same Locus numbers.

Dr Stefanoni may have had a somewhat different interpretation with regard to the significance of this incomplete profile because she didn’t present this as evidence against Knox at the trial. Of course she had plenty of strong evidence of her own.



Professor Balding

Professor David Balding also acknowledged some of the additional peaks matched Knox’s DNA profile. However, like Dr Stefanoni, he attached no importance to it:

“Of the 24 additional peaks identified by Vecchiotti and Conti (2), of which 6 had heights below the threshold of 50 relative fluorescence units, 9 are included in the profile of the other codefendant, Knox, providing apparent support for the presence of DNA from her. However, four of her alleles were not observed, including two homozygotes, which are less prone to dropout.

These interpretations pose problems for standard methods of evidence evaluation because of the alleles not attributable to any of the profiled individuals, uncertainty over whether or not Knox is a contributor, and the need to allow for the possibility that subthreshold peaks may be allelic.” (Professor Balding).



Professor Anna Barbaro

The 2008 report of Professor Barbaro - the DNA expert hired by Rudy Guede’s lawyers - helps you better understand Professor Vinci’s findings.

She created a table of the DNA results for 165B on pages 5-6 of that report.


Dr Barbaro disagrees with Professor Vinci’s claim that Guede’s DNA was also on Meredith’s bra clasp because if it had been, it would have been identified by the Y haplotype test, which is a more sensitive test

She also has impressive credentials. She is the Chief of the Forensic Genetics Department at SIMEF in Reggio Calabria, Italy, and teaches Forensic Genetics at the 2nd Level Master in Forensic Sciences of the University of Rome “La Sapienza”, Italy.

She serves as the founder and president of the Worldwide Association of Women Forensic Experts (WAWFE).

Accordiing to Barbie Nadeau in the Daily Beast Professor Vincenzo Pascali, Sollecito’s chief forensic consultant, also found Knox’s DNA on Meredith’s bra.

“Vincenzo Pascali, the chief forensic consultant who was set to give expert testimony about the possible contamination of the bra clasp, walked off the case last month, reportedly leaving a €50,000 bill. Back in September, Pascali, who declined to comment for this story, hinted that the clasp also contained Knox’s DNA.”

I think we can safely infer from Professor Pascali’s refusal to deny that Amanda Knox’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp that he thinks it was.

It’s also telling that he stopped representing Sollecito without giving any explanation. Why would he walk off a case where he was being paid a fortune? Does he think the DNA evidence implicates Knox and Sollecito in Meredith’s murder?

3. Certain Conclusions

It’s clear that forensic science isn’t like mathematics where there are no alternative interpretations. Forensic scientists have to interpret the test results and sometimes there isn’t a consensus.

Dr Stefanoni and Professor Balding attach no importance to the partial LCN DNA profiles on Meredith’s bra clasp.

Professor Vinci thinks Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp, but he claims it was contaminated.

Professor Garofano also thinks Amanda Knox’s DNA was on Meredith bra clasp and regards it as a strong clue against her. He thinks she touched it. In other words, he thinks she was involved in the stripping of Meredith.

The fact that Professor Garofano thinks Knox’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp and that it’s a strong clue against her gives me real pause for thought because he is the “father” of Italy’s forensic science capability. Also he has no financial incentive to promote a particular theory - unlike Professor Vinci who had no choice, but to claim the bra clasp was contaminated.

We repeatedly see the same Amanda Knox - Raffaele Sollecito - Rudy Guede combination in the tragic case.

All three lied repeatedly to the police.

All three are implicated by the DNA evidence.

All three are implicated by the bloody footprints at the cottage because they matched their foot sizes.

Let’s assume for a moment that Professor Vinci is right and Amanda Knox, Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Guede’s DNA was on Meredith’s bra clasp.

Is it really an amazing coincidence that their DNA was found on Meredith’s bra clasp?

Was every single piece of DNA evidence against the two white people really contaminated?

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Monday, April 27, 2020

Why Did Judge Marasca Parrot The CSI Effect In The Supreme Court’s Final Report?

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Judges Marasca and Bruno

1. This Post In Wider Context

Judge Marasca was the lead judge of a Fifth Chambers panel of five judges. Judge Bruno was the rapporteur and he drafted the report.

On 7 September 2015 they signed off on the final report published a full three months past the mandatory deadline. After the report came out no US or UK media either translated the report or summarized it. Knox and her PR characterised the conclusion as an exoneration. This was a lie.

No US or UK media reported that. 

Italian legal scholars and our own posters have voiced extensive criticisms. One is especially relevant here: that it is illegal for the Supreme Court to displace lower courts by getting into the evidence.  Claimed problems must be referred back down to the lower court - in this case, the 2013-2014 Nencini appeal court which in our view did an extremely good job.

No US or UK media reported that.

Judge Marasca and Judge Bruno were politically appointed judges who had not followed the demanding career path. Neither were “murder judges” and neither had handled a murder case before, and this lack of training and experience shows throughout the very amateurish report.

No US or UK media reported that.

The Fifth Chambers is not the “murder case chambers”, such cases are normally always handled by the First Chambers which had repeatedly visited the case before - for example: (1) in 2008 when Sollecito and Knox wanted to be out of prison and on house arrest; (2) in 2010 in declining Guede’s final appeal; (3) in 2012 in annulling the outcome of the Hellman appeal. 

No US or UK media reported that.

The CSI Effect had zero effect on the Massei trial jury or the Nencini appeal jury because (1) the DNA evidence was strong and backed up by two top-rate national labs; and (2) all the other evidece was strong too. But the CSI Effect was promoted to the maximum to the US and UK publics by the Sollecito and Knox PR and many have been misled.

No US or UK media reported that.

2. Calibrated Take On Significance Of DNA

DNA evidence is a relatively new phenomenon in the long history of criminal law. The first case where DNA evidence was used to convicted someone of murder was in 1988. Colin Pitchfork was given life sentences for the rapes and murders of 15-year-olds Lynda Mann and Dawn Ashworth in Leicestershire.

The advantages of DNA evidence

The advantages of DNA evidence are obvious. It helps to convict criminals, exonerate the wrongly accused and identify victims of crime. DNA samples collected from the crime scene and the bodies of victims can be used to accurately identify suspects.

It is current CPS policy to quote a match probability of one in a billion. In other words, there may be another six people on the planet who have an identical DNA profile to the suspect, but the probability that the culprit is someone else is so exceedingly low that it can effectively be ruled out.

DNA evidence conclusively proved that James Hanratty murdered Michael Gregsten 40 years after he was convicted of murder. It also silenced the journalists, politicians, human rights campaigners, lawyers, writers, filmmakers and celebrities who were certain he was innocent and had campaigned on his behalf

The disadvantages of DNA evidence

DNA evidence is only one type of evidence jurors should take into account when considering the evidence against a defendant. TV shows like CSI have led some jurors to having unrealistic expectations of DNA analysis and giving it more weight than other types of evidence. This phenomenon is known as the CSI effect.

Prosecutor Wendy Murphy raised her concerns about the CSI effect in 2005:

“This has been a bit of a problem even before the onset of DNA, and shows like ‘CSI.’ You get jurors who don’t have a lot of brain cells asking questions after the case is over about why there weren’t any fingerprints on the pillow case. Of course, that makes no sense.

“But once you get the influence of ‘CSI,’ what they start to expect is not only a lot of forensic evidence, but that this one missing piece would have told them the truth. That’s just not reality.

“Most murder cases have a little forensic evidence, but it doesn’t really tell the whole story.

“I actually think one of the problems is we’re not screening out these jurors who are way too much under the influence of these pop culture programs. They shouldn’t be allowed to sit in judgment, frankly.”

Beth Carpenter, from the Oregon Crime Lab, says there are expectations well beyond what the reality is.

There is a widespread misconception that DNA is like wet paint. However, DNA is not easy to transfer. Dr Stefanoni testified that the “transfer of DNA must not be taken for granted nor it is easy to happen, and more likely to take place if the original trace is aqueous, not if it is dry”.

3. Addressing Of DNA In The Final Report

It seem Judge Marasca was influenced by the CSI effect or ast least deliberately playing on it.

They claim the lack of biological traces attributable to Knox and Sollecito is proof they weren’t physically involved in Meredith’s murder

Now, a fact of assured relevance in favor of the current appellants, in the sense of excluding their material participation to the homicide, even in the hypothesis of their presence in the house of via della Pergola, lies in the absolute absence of biological traces referable to them (apart from the hook of which we will discuss later) in the room of the homicide or on the victim’s body, where in contrast multiple traces attributable to Guede were found.”

It is incontrovertibly impossible that that in the crime scene (constituted by a room of little dimensions: ml 2,91x3,36, as indicated by the blueprint reproduced at f. 76) no traces would be retrieved referable to the current appellants had they participated in the murder of Kercher.

Contradictory and illogical reasoning

Judge Marasca says there were multiple attackers and he places Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito at the cottage at the time of the murder. There’s no DNA evidence of anyone else in Meredith’s room other than Guede and Sollecito.

If Marasca is saying that Guede had accomplices other than Knox and Sollecito, he’s acknowledging it’s possible to commit murder and leave no DNA evidence - which completely contradicts his claim that Knox and Sollecito were not materially involved in Meredith’s murder because of the lack of credible traces that are attributable to them.

Marasca’s reasoning on this specific issue is contradictory and illogical and many DNA experts e.g. Peter Gill disagree with his belief that absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

“Sometimes forensic scientists may try to find meaning in the absence of a DNA profile to prove a negative: e.g., ‘‘Mr X was not in the room because I could not find his DNA.’ This is a specious argument. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” (Peter Gill,  Misleading DNA Evidence: Reasons for Miscarriages of Justice).

The fact the Scientific Police found no DNA samples on Meredith’s neck from the person who strangled her with enough force to leave visible bruises and break her hyoid bone proves it’s possible exert considerable force on someone and still leave no DNA evidence.

There were 43 bruises and wounds on Meredith’s body, but the Scientific Police only found one DNA sample of one of her attackers on her body. It’s self-evident that attackers don’t always leave their DNA on their victims.

Marasca also seems to assume DNA evidence is required to convicted someone of murder. It isn’t a required element in Italy or in any common law jurisdiction.

Forensic investigators didn’t find any DNA samples belonging to Jessica Chapman or Holly Wells at Ian Huntley’s home or any DNA samples belonging to April Jones at Mark Bridger’s home or any DNA samples belonging to Milly Dowler at Levi Bellfield’s home or any DNA samples belonging to Teresa Halbach inside Steven Avery’s bedroom.

It didn’t matter because criminal cases should never hinge on solely DNA evidence. The juries in these respective cases considered all the pieces of evidence wholly - not separately and in isolation from the other pieces of DNA evidence.

There have also been high-profile cases in America where the defendants were convicted of murder without any DNA e.g. Adnan Syed, Damian Elchols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley and Brendan Dassey.

Judge Marasca made the exact same mistake that Judge Chieffi criticised Judge Hellmann in his Supreme Court for i.e. assessing a piece evidence in isolation from the other pieces of evidence.

Marasca should have placed the bra clasp into the wider context of the other pieces of evidence against Sollecito i.e.his multiple false alibis and numerous lies to the police, the bloody footprint matched the precise characteristics of his foot, one of the bare bloody footprints in the hallway revealed by Luminol matched his foot and Meredith’s DNA was found on the blade of his kitchen knife.

The fact that he didn’t defies belief, especially when he specially referred to the elements of strong suspicios with regard to Sollecito.

Judge Marasca also ignored the expert opinions of a number of DNA experts who effectively ruled out the possibilty that the bra clasp was contaminated at the cottage.

Alberto Intini, the head of the Italian police forensic science unit, excluded environmental contamination at the Massei trial because “DNA doesn’t fly.”

Professor Francesca Torricelli testified that it was unlikely the clasp was contaminated because there was a significant amount of Sollecito’s DNA on it

Professor Novelli also ruled out environmental contamination. He pointed out in court there’s more likelihood of meteorite striking the courtroom in Perugia than there is of the bra clasp being contaminated by dust at the cottage.

“The hook contaminated by dust? It’s more likely for a meteorite to fall and bring this court down to the ground.”

Professor Balding of London University also said Sollecito’s DNA on Meredith on Meredith’s bra clasp can’t be explained by environmental contamination.

He also said there was a “much greater likelihood“ that the DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp came from Sollecito and that’s the reason why it’s “extremely strong“ evidence against him.

He told Chris Halkides that people walking in and out of the room etc would be unlikely to contaminate the bra clasp.

On the BBC documentary, he said contamination from passers-by isn’t an issue and that he has taken that into account and it’s extremely unlikely.

Replication is not essential

Professor Balding pointed out that replication isn’t essential. However, he also regards the attribution of the Y haplotype to Sollecito as replication:

“But although replication is desirable it is not essential.  (In a sense there already is replication, because each of the 15 loci is an independent test.)”

Professor Novelli also agrees that replication isn’t essential. He testified that he and other DNA experts believe it it quality of the DNA that matters - not the quanity.

This is especially relevant with regard to the knife evidence. Meredith Kercher’s DNA was found on the blade of Sollecito’s kitchen. There is no question that the DNA belonged to Meredith.

“In his report submitted on 6 September 2011 to the Court of Assizes of Appeal of Perugia, Prof. Giuseppe Novelli, consultant of the Prosecutor, wrote the following observations on this point: “[...] the consultant [Stefanoni] also did a statistical calculation with the purpose of determining the probability that the profile could belong to someone other than the victim.

The calculation of the Random Match Probability came to 1 chance in 300 million billion. This value computed in this manner makes it possible to attribute the analyzed trace with absolute certainty to exactly one person, which the consultant holds to be the victim Meredith Kercher.” (Page 11 of the above-cited report) (The Nencini report, page 230).

There wasn’t enough DNA for a second test, but this shouldn’t matter because Meredith’s profile came out clean on a single amplification. Replication is a necessity when you have a dirty uncertain sequence like Knox’s DNA profile on the knife that was discovered by Major Berti and Captain Barni in 2013

The most important thing is there no evidence of contamination in or outside the laboratory. Dr Stefanoni analysed the traces on the knife six days after last handling Meredith’s DNA. This means laboratory contamination can be ruled out.

Judge Micheli ruled out contamination during the collection phase because the knife was sequestered from Sollecito’s apartment on Corso Garibaldi by a different police team to the one that collected evidence from the cottage on Via della Pergola on the same day.

3. Some Conclusions

The most embarrassing schoolboy error Judge Marasca made was to assume the absence of DNA evidence of Amanda Knox inside Meredith’s room is evidence of her absence. Every law student knows that absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence.

Furthermore, Amanda Knox admitted in her book she had been in Meredith’s room to take photographs - which just highlights the fact you don’t necessarily leave any DNA samples behind when you’ve been in a room.

Like the defence experts, Judge Marasca had no trouble accepting the attribution of Y haplotype to Rudy Guede in the LCN DNA sample that was found on the vaginal swab. However, he objected to the attribution of the Y haplotype to Raffaele Sollecito in the DNA sample that was found on Meredith’s bra clasp.

It seems replication is only required if you’re white. As we’ve seen in this case time and time again, the burden of proof is raised when it comes to the two white people and lowered when it comes to the black man.

Judge Marasca’s claim there were multiple attackers, but Knox and Sollecito couldn’t have materially participated in Meredith’s because there was a lack of biological traces attributable to them makes absolutely no sense because there was no DNA of anyone else in Meredith’s room.

Perhaps, we shouldn’t be surprised his illogical and contradictory reasoning because most of his Supreme Court’s report makes no sense. You’d be forgiven for thinking as a great many have that he gave into intense pressure to acquit Knox and Sollecito and that he was not motivated by any desire to see justice served.

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