Tuesday, May 25, 2010

The Chilling Killing Propensities Of Sollecito’s Various Knives

Posted by SomeAlibi

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The few rather puerile websites trying to make the case that Knox and Sollecito were framed all have this one thing in common.

They are all of them a mile or more wide on the facts of the evidence - but only a millimeter or so deep.

Time and again on some point of evidence TJMK and PMF have gone far, far deeper than they have - and from then on, on that particular point, deafening silence is quite usual. Here is one very good example, on TJMK, highly incriminating in itself, and highly suggestive of when and how Edda Mellas first realised her daughter was guilty.

On that point of hard evidence, almost enough to incriminate Amanda all by itself, there has never been any real comeback. The PR campaign’s Wizard of Oz moves on. 

Now we advance another in-depth analysis. This time it focuses on the really deadly nature of Sollecito’s various knives, and we’ll await the comeback if any with interest.

In effect, the deniers’ argument made is that Sollecito is not a collector or an aficionado, just a young man who might need to cut an apple with a pocket-knife. And he’s certainly not a hardcore knife collector, collecting fantasy-wish-list knives.

Carrying a pocket-knife above a certain size in public is illegal in Italy. But ignoring that technicality for a minute, let’s examine the knives of Raffaele Sollecito which were impounded during his arrest. Three knives, moving up in degrees of interest, not counting the very large knife prosecution witnesses identified as the murder weapon.

Knife Three

Take a look at the image up the top here. This knife actually hung above Sollecito’s bed.

It is a replica combat knife. The heavy t-bar protection is designed to protect the hand of the knife-user from slipping onto the blade when being used to stab another person, as well as to protect the user against another blade.

Blood grooves exist for only one purpose - as they imply, they are there for when one stabs someone deeply with the knife: they allow the blood to run out down the grooves. This breaks the seal and suction of the enclosing wound around the blade which makes the knife far easier to withdraw

That knife is specifically designed for stabbing people as well as cutting sentries’ throats etc. The female arm in the picture is Amanda’s by the way (you can find the zoomed-out version showing all of Amanda in the PMF gallery), as it was taken when she was being shown the knife in court.

She must have recognized it, of course, since it was from Raffaele’s bedroom, and would have been a rather noticeable discussion piece within view whenever Knox was in the room or laying on the bed.

Many teenagers and young adults put the objects of their highest interest and infatuation, from bands to film-stars, on their walls. Raffaele chose to put a knife designed for killing people on his wall.

It would be a lurking and incongruous presence on a small student-sized bedroom wall in the minds of the vast majority of people. The question of Raffaele’s degree of attraction to knives such that he actively chose to mount a replica combat knife on his bedroom wall doesn’t appear to need much further discussion.

And yet, it’s actually only less than a third of the equation as it was only a replica. Now let’s turn to two real knives - his so-proclaimed pocket knives - which Raffaele confirmed in his own words that he carried on him every day for years, and which tell a more subtle and deeper story.

First, consider what is the meaning of a pocket knife to you.

The phrase “˜pocket knife’ has been translated from the Italian from the transcripts / press coverage. For many, including myself, this will have conjured a mental image of a Swiss Army type knife or a simple blade and indeed this is the prevalent definition of a conventional pocket knife.

Let’s actually have a look at Raffaele’s “pocket knives” courtesy of pictures posted by poster Jools on PMF. These knives were impounded, one from the apartment and one, unbelievably, from Raffaele’s person at the Questura.

In the case of the latter, even Raffaele saw this as a devastating “own-goal” as we can read from his diary entry of 7 November 2007; “I’m not even able to offer guilt, given my deep fu**ing stupidity for the fact that I smoke cannabis I even forget what I have eaten and also for that I carry behind a knife to nock the tables and the trees and I carry it so often that I brought it also to the police headquarters.”

Knife Two

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This is a 2.9 inch blade drop point, near spear point knife. At first glance (apart from the mark on the clip which should be ignored and was benign), the deniers camp might say “Well, look at it - it’s just a pocket knife even if it looks a bit sharp and so on ““ look, it’s even got a cute clip for the pocket, like on a pen.”

Let’s start there. The clip is actually a reversible one ““ it can be taken off and re-screwed to the knife to the user’s side / orientation of preference. This is already a proper knife rather than a cheap shop pick-up.

More obviously, the half-serrated edge to the blade for cutting is an active design (and purchase) feature.

Third, the “˜grind’ on the top the blade shows an aesthetic sensibility to the design but also serves a functional purpose for a cutting or stabbing use in terms of reducing friction.

Fourth, the serrations or (quite aggressive) “˜jimping’ on the top of the handle, just behind the blade are there to provide thumb grip.

Quite a lot of design features on this knife for a casual “pocket knife” one might think.

Which leaves us with the odd bar code thing at the top edge of the blade and the indistinct logo on the blade. Let’s see what that logo is with a little enhancing;

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“˜Brian Tighe Design’. Brian Tighe?? Google sets us straight on who he is.

“You’d need a calculator to count the number of custom knife-makers who have jumped into the tactical fray over the past five years. You can tally the cream of the crop on two hands, being sure to earmark one of those digits for knifemaker Brian Tighe. In a matter of just a couple of years Tighe (pronounced “Tie”) has risen from the rank and file of edged weapons artisans to the rarefied air of the top 10 elite.”

A look at Tighe’s site shows that his own company’s knives sell for 500 dollars and up. He is a globally feted knife designer whose wait list for his knives was as high as seven years at one point.

So the design of the knife here is actually that of a noted master knife maker. Almost something one might collect, one might say. As loaded as Papa Doc Sollecito is, did Raffaele really spend over 500 dollars on such a knife?

Well no, actually, he didnt need to. This is a Columbia River Knife & Tool produced 811x series knife bearing Brian Tighe’s name. CRKT are a dedicated knife company who specialise in working with the world’s leading knife designers and producing the knives for a bigger market but still as proper aficionado pieces.

At this level of knife, there are extensive magazine, web and “˜user’ reviews. Knives like this are tested for resilience and sharpness including things like edge-on paper-cut tests where paper is cut through just like a razor from the side of a piece of paper held by one hand.

Such a knife is able to catch the edge of the paper and then slice straight through the width of the paper side-on without any tension in the paper. That’s what a knife like this is capable of. A “pocket knife” to me sounds like something picked up for 10 or 20 euro. The current model that replaced Raffaele’s now out-of-series model sells for about $80 at retail. Here’s the actual 2004 model that Raffaele had i.e. the same as the one above;

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Worth looking at that for a second or two… Oh the bar code? It’s not a bar code, it a rectangular thumb stud you flick the knife open with. When you do, the knife goes to a locked position unlike many “pocket-knives”. In English speaking knife circles, these knives are not generally referred to as pocket-knives but are called “Tactical Knives” which are a cross-over of usage knives for outdoors / cutting etc but also for personal “protection”.

So, in addition to the wall-mounted replica combat knife, one of Raffaele’s daily carries (see diary / testimony) was a designer thumb-flicked locking tactical knife with jimping, top blade grind, switchable clip and a razor sharp edge costing about 80 bucks. That you can only carry in your pocket. Illegally. Some apple-cutter.

Let’s take a look now at the most worrying knife of all…

Knife One

At first glimpse, this “pocket knife” looks quite martial arts like, given the hole and the weird top edge of the blade and the spider logo.

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The logo marks this as a Spyderco knife ““ a large premium knife manufacturer of tactical and many other types of knives. This particular model is a Delica4 Emerson Opener retailing for about $109.95rrp. Of particular note about this knife is the hole and the top edge. The hole, a Spyderco feature, allows a thumb to flick the blade open very quickly. This knife is about speed.

But actually the thumb hole is not the real speed feature ““ that is reserved for the top edge curl.

This is a truly specialist feature known as an Emerson Opener or “wave”. The idea is that the curl in metal catches on the edge of a pocket edge on drawing the knife and opens it immediately (see videos below).

This is a speciality feature licensed from Emerson knives ““ Emerson being another feted “˜name’ knife designer. The wave is only present on two of Spyderco’s 330 knives listed on their website ““ the Delica and the ¾ inch larger sister knife the Endura (“the best self defence knife in the world” according to one enthusiastic teenager on youtube). That’s how specialist it is.

The job of the wave feature is to provide the fastest opening knife in the world bar none ““ faster than a flick or spring knife in fact. This video (many similar to be found) gives a rather disturbing insight into what the real attraction of owning this knife is to a hardcore knife knut like Raffaele; (remember when you watch this for the first time that the knife is closed inside that pocket and also enable the sound on the embedded player below by clicking off the mute)

If I thought my son had a penknife, but then actually saw him with this, we would be having a very long chat..

“Enough!” the deniers say?! “You’ve still got it in for Raffaele haven’t you?” they say?! Despite the replica combat knife on the bedroom wall, the designer Brian Tighe Design CRKT drop-point and the Spyderco Delica4 with wave design)?  “You’ve used prejudicial phrases like “hardcore knife knut” haven’t you?” they say?!

Sorry, but don’t look at me. They’re not my words.

They’re the words of Spyderco itself on its own webpage. See here and below. 

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Raffaele was out to impress Amanda and by his own admission both obsessive about her and a hardcore stoner. He also thought knives - proper knives with exclusive features by name knife designers not pocket knives were fascinating.

As with all of this case and any case, you REALLY need to look at the detailed evidence.

The overwhelming prevalence of skin-deep level of analysis / downplaying of this case by much of the deniers camp will lend and always has lent itself to people dismissing serious evidence as inconsequential based on their lack of understanding of what actually is in question.

The “mere pocket-knife” impression of Raffaele’s interest in knives is a clear case in hand. Raffaele’s father testified in court that his son carried a pen-knife. Some pen-knives or pocket-knives these really were…

As always with this case, when you take the time to look at the real detail, the reality you find is something far more disturbing…..


Waow! Thanks for this!

I had no idea that that was what he calls pocket knives…  Pus, this obsession that he seems to have given to Amanda, to carry a knife “for protection”.

Well, I guess that if you go at night in wrong neighborhoods, you may have to, but I lived in Torino for years, and there are some bad areas there too, I never met anyone who would carry a knife.

Posted by Patou on 05/25/10 at 08:21 PM | #

No-one buys a knife like that without at least the dream to put it to use…

Posted by saskia on 05/25/10 at 10:31 PM | #

I served in the Italian Army with numerous southern Italians. Many of them carried knives like that in their pockets. It’s not unusual in Southern Italy where Raffaele comes from.

Posted by Commissario Montalbano on 05/25/10 at 11:55 PM | #

SomeAlibi wrote:

“If I thought my son had a penknife, but then actually saw him with this, we would be having a very long chat..”

Very well put.

With all due respect to Commissario Montalbano, I don’t think the habits of those doing military service are necessarily comparable with those of the general public.

And in addition to the knives Sollecito carried in his pocket, the replica on the wall should also send some alarm bells off.

Posted by Skeptical Bystander on 05/26/10 at 02:49 AM | #

What type of knife did he have in the police station? Was it one of the ones showed?

Posted by John on 05/26/10 at 07:52 AM | #

Wow I’m stunned when I read about a pocket knife being in his pocket at the police department.. I thought about the kind my dad and grandpa carried around in their pockets. Theirs had like 4 blades to them and blades got smaller and smaller. they would use them on wood while sitting on the porch or when we went fishing.

Just call me country cause those were the type of pocket knives i grew up with and only the adults were allowed to have them. My brothers got their own pocket knives on their 16th birthday, but wasn’t allowed to use them or carry them unless my dad was there to over see. Then they were locked up for another week..To me that was a pocket knife, not these things you all are showed here. And I think thats what most Americans were thinking when they thought of a pocket knife.

Posted by jasmine1998 on 05/26/10 at 08:56 AM | #

stunned, shocked and amazed…pen knife? pocket knife? er, no…those are what swiss army knives are. these are weapons.

Posted by mojo on 05/26/10 at 09:40 AM | #

While Americans and Brits may find such knives to be alarming, I wonder how many (if any) Italians do? (Commissario Montalbano certainly doesn’t)

The blades on those are exactly the same length as my that of my Leatherman, which also can be opened with one hand, and locks, yet I doubt that many people see that in the same light despite the fact that it is certainly as deadly. 

Those knives are for sale in pretty much any knife shop, the place I go to get my kitchen knives sharpened has a large display of them.  Also, many places selling souvenirs sell such knives, some elaborate, some plain like these.

Posted by tom-ch on 05/26/10 at 10:09 AM | #

These blades look nasty.  Some professions require people to use knives, be it the military, woodsmen, maybe farmers; so do some activities for example, I have a knife designed for use when I go diving.  I also have a Swiss Army knife and Leatherman multitool which has a blade.

My diving knife is locked in a security cabinet at the diving club.  My other two are locked in a secure toolbox.  The length of the blades on both the Swiss Army and Leatherman mean it would be illegal for me to take them outside of my property - I’m guessing that, from the details in SomeAlibi’s report, illegal blade length in England and Wales is more or less the same as in Italy - 6-7cm mark.  My point being that whilst I have a diving knive, I use it when I am diving then it gets cleaned and dried and locked away securely until I sign it out the next time I dive, I don’t carry it around.

I am not shocked so much by the actual knives - more by the fact that knives one and two were regularly carried in public.  There are very few reasons I can come up with for carrying a knife that opens as you pull it out of your pocket - suffice to say whittling away at a stick whilst relaxing in the countryside is not one of them.  I’m not doubting that it is not unusual to find some people carrying pocket knives in Southern Italy, or elsewhere for that matter, but knives that fly open as you take them from your pocket?  That is totally unnecessary and very suspect.  I believe flick knives are now illegal here in England and Wales, this looks to me like a work around that sort of ban. 

There are many restrictions on knife buying nowadays in the UK, souvenir shops certainly don’t sell them, you need to be over 18 to even buy a kitchen knife and many shops require formal ID before they will let you buy anything with a blade no matter how old you appear to be.

Posted by Nolongeramember on 05/26/10 at 11:17 AM | #

Hi folks, great reporting as usual. It’s clear that Raffaele took an unusual interest in knives. Along with the mountains of other evidence, this surely strengthend the prosecution’s case.

Any idea when the judge’s report translation will be complete? I’m very excited to read it and am afraid to miss it if I don’t check every day. Thanks.

Posted by devorah on 05/26/10 at 07:29 PM | #

Maybe this link has already been posted before, but for Italian speakers, the original sentencing report can be found here:


Posted by mariopuzu on 05/27/10 at 06:31 AM | #

“Switchblade” would be the term used for a flick knife in the States. I recently saw the movie West Side Story on tv and switchblades, though not agreed upon as the chosen weapons for the “rumble”, appeared mid-rumble from the gang members’ pockets and resulted in death.

Maria’s sweetheart, Tony, looked suitably horrified when he gazed at the dripping blade in his hand, but he was just a high-school kid, and hadn’t bothered to think about the consequences of actually deploying the little tool he carried about in his pocket.

Recently a West Seattle middleschool student was trespassed from school grounds after brandishing what turned out to be a BB gun.

I don’t know if there are any kids carrying knives around, but I can guarantee it’s prohibited!

Now, RS, of course, is not a schoolchild. He is a responsible, culpable adult.  Isn’t he?

I wonder what Edda would have thought of her daughter spending the nights prior to her arrest under the protective gaze of “Raf” if she’d had a peek at these knives?

Posted by mimi on 05/27/10 at 06:54 AM | #

The jury thought it was more than a coincidence that Sollecito carried a knife and he was a collector of knives matched with the fact that his girlfriend Knox has a flat mate Meredith murdered by knives - it was another piece of the puzzle that fit together in this case.

It’s like Laci Peterson being found in the water, and Scott Peterson going out on his boat in the area with his hobby of fishing. The jury in that case also concluded with the verdict of guilty.

Posted by giustizia on 05/27/10 at 07:02 AM | #

the more you all report and clarify, i am left wondering exactly what the defense can hope to offer on appeal—

Posted by mojo on 05/27/10 at 12:28 PM | #

I agree, giustizia. Someone once said “I can believe in coincidence - but not when it reaches epidemic level”. The coincidences in this case are so numerous (a sexually-inexperienced young man meeting a voracious young women with a troubled upbringing and a poor financial state, both of them taking drugs regularly, both of them choosing to lie after the murder, neither of them having an alibi..and so on, and so forth) that it is simply not logically possible, in the real world, for Sollecito and Knox to be innocent.

Posted by Janus on 05/27/10 at 03:15 PM | #

Thanks very much, Mariopuzu!

Posted by devorah on 05/27/10 at 11:19 PM | #

Nice prelude. I think the sites that advocate for Amanda and Raffaele will take your comment as acknowledgement of how serious a threat they are against your propaganda.

Let’s see - you talk about how wide they go, but not deep? “The other site” does indeed go deep on many important subjects - I’ll get to that, but here we have an example of OFF SUBJECT. Good thing you went deep on a subject that doesn’t put a trace of your prized love-to-hate girl Amanda in the murder room. Or why her and Raffaele has no injuries, but Guede did.

The other site does indeed go deep - they seem to notice details you miss, such as the dust on the clothes in Filomena’s room that obliterates your crime scene cleanup theory that you all cling to because you didn’t go any deeper than reading Matteini, Micheli or Massei or the Daily Mail tabloid trash.

I know what your trumped up discrediting response will be (if not simply “hiding” this post), but it doesn’t matter, any thinking person sees this site and knows your manner and way of speaking with subjective adjectives is a thin facade of credibility. My favorites are the comments that you guys post yourself where people say things like “ohhh… I finally found a site where you give balanced information”... make me gag.

Posted by davelebon23 on 05/28/10 at 12:10 AM | #

davelebon, do you actually have anything to say about the damning evidence in this post about Sollecito’s infatuation with knives, and with LETHAL knives? Anything to say about the fact that he carried them around all the time? Anything to say about the nature of the knives he loved so much? Anything to say about how damning that is, given he was in a relationship with the room-mate of a young woman who was murdered with a knife, and didn’t have an alibi for the time of the killing? Anything to say about that at all, or just the snide, facts-free, defensive denial that SomeAlibi talks about IN THIS VERY POST!

Good way to prove his point, I must say. And if you really, really think that Sollecito’s knife fixation/fetish/obsession is “off subject”, I feel very sorry for you.

Posted by Janus on 05/28/10 at 12:44 AM | #

Oh, and davelebon, you should also know that every single thing that implicates Sollecito, also implicates Knox, and vice versa. They are inseparably linked. They stand together, or they fall together. Most sensible people understand this.

Posted by Janus on 05/28/10 at 12:50 AM | #

Hi Dave,

There is plenty of evidence placing Amanda Knox in Meredith’s room on the night of the murder: the double DNA knife, her bloody shoeprint on the pillow under Meredith’s body, and the blood she tracked into the bathroom, the hallway and Filomena’s room. She even admitted that she was involved in Meredith’s murder.

There is absolutely no evidence that Rudy Guede went into Filomena’s room or the blood-spattered bathroom. His visible bloody footprints lead straight out of Meredith’s room and out of the house. This means that somebody else went into Filomena’s room and staged the break-in and went into the bathroom after Meredith had been stabbed.

The scientific police found a mixture of Knox’s DNA and Meredith’s blood on the floor in Filomena’s room. They also found Knox’s DNA mingled with Meredith’s blood in three different places in the bathroom. Their biological profiles had united into one single streak on the basin and the bidet. In other words, they were deposited simultaneously. Sollecito left a visible footprint on the blue bathmat.

You should wait until you’ve actually read an accurate translation of the judges’ sentencing report before dismissing it.

Posted by The Machine on 05/28/10 at 02:36 AM | #

@davelebon: how easy it is to bash this website, and Italy and their justice system, yet the US Embassy monitored this trial and found nothing amiss (despite father Knox’s claims of human rights violations).

The sad fact remains that Knox & Sollecito do not have linear alibis for the night of the murder, DNA and other evidence (cell phone and computer records, etc) link both of them to the murder, along with their questionable incriminating behavior (accusing an innocent man Patrick Lumumba of the crime - pointing the finger at another to deflect guilt)  have landed them squarely where they belong - in jail.
It’s not about your claims of “Knox-haters” or “guilters” why they sit in jail - it’s the facts of the trial fitting together that convicted them.

Knox is not in jail because she bought underwear or did cartwheels, she is in jail for the above mentioned.

It is lucky for all three convicted murderers in this case that Italy does not have the death penalty, and that they are afforded the opportunity to appeal this verdict.

Posted by giustizia on 05/28/10 at 06:04 AM | #

A further comment relating to SomeAlibi’s post:

Wasn’t the knife collection above described by someone as “art” or “artistic” at some point?  I think it may have been Mr. Knox, but I may be wrong.  In my opinion, hanging a knife on a wall does not change it from “knife” to “art”, and carrying a blade that opens as you take it from your pocket is far from artistic. 

Off topic:

It’s good to see that here, a quality response is given to comments like davelebon23’s.  None of the name calling etc. that happens elsewhere, just relevant questions and facts - kudos Janus, Machine and giustizia.

It is interesting to see the same old tricks deployed again:

1.)  “dust on the clothes in Filomena’s room…..obliterates your crime scene cleanup theory” - I don’t recall anyone anywhere commenting officially or otherwise on anyone dusting the scene, my understanding is that blood evidence was mopped or wiped away and that such attempts were only partially successful, in addition there was a wipe down of fingerprints which seemed to remove almost all fingerprint evidence of one of the residents of the flat.  Highlight something irrelevant, hope no-one questions the real evidence;

2.)  “her and Raffaele has no injuries, but Guede did.” - the discredited lone wolf theory being subtly suggested, again.

3.)  “you didn’t go any deeper than reading Matteini, Micheli or Massei…” - I think most people here have looked at a lot of the evidence and the reports posted openly by the rather amazing Italian justice system, and as opposed to using the three names above in a way that suggests a superficial glance at the evidence and weakness in the Italian system of justice, I for one see those names attached to chilling, in depth analyses of the evidence produced by a very thorough and open judicial system.

4.) “...or the Daily Mail tabloid trash” - Nice try to distract from some of the other inaccurate reporting out there, a little alliteration goes a long way.  As a Brit I concur, the Mail can be a bit tabloidy at times, however, I think it has been far from the worst when it comes to reporting on this sad case.

Posted by Nolongeramember on 05/28/10 at 09:52 AM | #


RE: “Nice prelude. I think the sites that advocate for Amanda and Raffaele will take your comment as acknowledgement of how serious a threat they are against your propaganda.”

It seems to me that if you really thought that this site was of no consequence that you would not be visiting it and interjecting your attempts to discredit the actual, verifiable evidence.

And RE: ” My favorites are the comments that you guys post yourself where people say things like “ohhh… I finally found a site where you give balanced information”... make me gag.”

Keep gagging.  More and more people are coming to this site and PMF to find truthful, insightful information about the real forensic evidence. People want the truth and the twisted, wishful-thinking BS that the FOA/Knox/Mellas/Dempsey entourage has been putting out is without merit.

The truth will always find a way to come out, and the FOA/Knox/Mellas/Dempsey people are hoping that it doesn’t or are deluding themselves if they really believe what they are trying desperately to get us all to believe.

Posted by Mo-in-Mass.,USA on 05/28/10 at 03:29 PM | #

Dave, dave, dave…. “dust on the clothes in Filomena’s room”??

They are suspected of having cleaned the floor, not the clothes. Had they dripped blood onto Filomena’s garments, doubtless they’d have chucked them into the washer along with Meredith’s.

“her and Raffaele didn’t have” no known injuries?? Shucks. Perhaps it’s because they were the ones who were armed with the knives?

Time to get over your dreams of marrying Amanda. DJ is first in line, Raff will be reduced to playing ringbearer or, if he’s lucky, chauffeuring the honeymoon limo.

Posted by mimi on 05/28/10 at 11:42 PM | #

Dave if you do marry Amanda, be warned, get used to wearing some ” tin knickers ” and sleeping with one eye open - otherwise you could wake up a woman LOL - that is of course if you wake up LOL

And on another note Peter when will we see the translated report?

Posted by Paddy5000 on 05/29/10 at 02:06 AM | #

Hi Paddy. You presumably know that the translation was completed several weeks ago. The process now is to get all of the the legal and medical terminology correct to the point of not being challengeable and in particular to reflect the careful and highly refined tone of the lead judge.

Several Italian lawyers on our team who were not part of the translating will have more or less the last word on when it is ready to go online. This would have been a $100,000 task done commercially and it may not have taken much less time.

The translators dont want to go public, but I was previously in the UN where translation and interpretation were ceaseless, and I never experienced dedicated work like this. The Meredith Effect once again.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 05/29/10 at 02:51 AM | #

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the info. I fully appreciate the need for thoroughness. I look forward to reading it when it’s available. Thanks for all your work and thanks also to those involved in the translating of the document.

Thanks and good luck!

Posted by Paddy5000 on 05/29/10 at 10:36 PM | #
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