The Associated Press Confirms That Joran Van Der Sloot Has Confessed To Murder In Lima, Peru
Posted by Peter Quennell
Above: images of Lima in Peru - one of the world’s driest cities (it almost never rains) so the greenery is pretty remarkable.
The Associated Press is today confirming what reader Nell posted on the thread below last night.
Joran Van Der Sloot has confessed that he killed 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez in a rage, after she discovered his role as chief suspect in the presumed murder of Natalee Holloway. She did this via his laptop, while he went out to get breakfast (recorded on camera - that hotel sure has good CCTV) at 10 past 8 in the morning.
Peru’s chief police spokesman, Col. Abel Gamarra, told The Associated Press that Van der Sloot admitted under police questioning Monday that he killed 21-year-old Stephany Flores on May 30…
Gamarra said the case would now be turned over to prosecutors to present formal charges and Van der Sloot will be assigned to a prison while he awaits trial. Murder convictions carry a maximum of 35 years in prison in Peru and it was not immediately clear if a confession could lead to a reduced sentence.
Van Der Sloot’s father, a judge, recently died of a heart attack in Aruba, while playing a game of tennis. He was originally there as a judge in training, which explains why his son Joran, then 17, was also there. He was long suspected of possibly helping his son to dispose of Natalee’s body and of using his connections to slow or stall the Aruba investigation.
Either way, it sounds like Aruba could use someone like the officer in charge of the case in Lima, Peru, to close the Natalee Holloway case once and for all. Or someone like Prosecutor Giuliano Mignini.
A tragedy that it was not resolved before Van Der Sloot headed out for Lima - using money from Natalee Holloway’s mother. It seems the Aruba police, with help from the FBI, already had all that they needed.
the aruban investigation was a shambles, the real question is whether it was incompetence or intentional. looks as though the peruvians have learned many lessons from dealing with the shining path.
Fox News Cable and CNN Headline Cable are sure giving this a lot of coverage. Jane Velez-Mitchell last night on CNN Headline was so angry she was almost unable to get her words straight. (Compare THAT with how the UK and Italian media early-on depicted Amanda Knox, which was pussyfooting by comparison).
It is now being reported on those cable channels from Lima that:
1) Van Der Sloot is apparently being taken back to the hotel room today to explain how the attack on Stephany happened.
2) He could indeed get several years or some years off the statutory sentence for murder of 35 years for this confession.
3) He could be out in as few as ten years on parole if he is convicted and if he behaves himself in prison.
4) He would have known the CCTV cameras were all-over. The monitor showing 12 views at once faced the guests at the registration desk.
5) He apparently claimed in his confession that Stephany “invaded my space” which is what fueled his deadly rage.
Dr. Keith Ablow, a psychiatry correspondent for Fox News Channel, has just posted this take on Van Der Sloot’s psychology.
Here’s an excerpt that is of possible relevance to Meredith’s case.
Indeed, Van der Sloot seems to be a killer whose violence erupts from him, rather than the kind of serial killer who methodically and secretively stalks victims and carefully disposes of their remains. He was, after all, seen walking into his hotel room with Flores on a hotel video surveillance camera, and the two had been seen together before the alleged crime. He was known to have spent time with Holloway, as well. Those facts don’t support the kind of methodical stalking of victims that organized serial killers are known for.
Organized serial killers plan their crimes for weeks, months or years. They typically are aware of the internal need to kill. They are known to restrain their victims and bring murder weapons with them to the scenes of their crimes, keeping the weapons with them when they disappear.
Disorganized serial killers happen upon their victims at random and may be “provoked” to kill not just for the perverse joy of it, but by overwhelming feelings of rage or humiliation.
They often leave murder weapons at the scenes of their crimes and do little to dispose of the physical evidence associated with their crimes. What unites organized and disorganized serial killers, I believe, is a perverse connection with death. Ending life reaches them at a deep level that is connected to their own early and unexplored psychological traumas.
The “projection” of their own powerlessness and helplessness and, ultimately, lifelessness is the terrible force that overtakes them—again and again. Alcohol and drugs can contribute to dissolving their defenses and rendering them more likely to be homicidal.
Serial killers — whether organized or disorganized — are always made, never born. Having interviewed dozens of killers myself, I can tell you that it turns out that evil never appears “out of the womb.”
Joran Van der Sloot traveled the world in the five years since he was held in Aruba for the murder of Natalee Holloway. One or more unexplained murders anywhere he visited may involve him. But something also has to have killed off Van der Sloot’s capacity to contain his rage and to empathize with the suffering of others. And the scene of that crime, stored deep inside the mind of Van der Sloot himself, is not yet known.
It may well be that every episode of violence in Joran Van der Sloot’s life has seemed to him as though it would be the last one—beginning with the emotional or physical violence that turned him into a predator.
Miss Represented, a professional in the field, in her extraordinary early posts, described several kinds of killer, and remarked that Meredith’s pattern of death followed a revealing known pattern in the textbooks.
Knox certainly witnessed as a toddler what seems to have been a marriage between her parents made in hell, and a divorce that apparently for years had Edda chasing Curt via the courts to get him to pay Knox’s child support.
The family tales about her making “inappropriate remarks” seem to begin at about age four.
Some have theorized that Joran concocted the story of killing her in a rage because that would mean that the killing was not premeditated. Premeditated murder typically carries a heavier sentence than unpremeditated killings.
However, the fact that he killed her under circumstances that were sure to lead to his eventual arrest (doing it in a hotel room booked in his name) does add credence to the idea that he had not planned to do it.
I believe one of the following scenarios are likely:
1. He is a serial rapist who uses date rape drugs. Maybe she fought back or woke up and he either became enraged or realized that she would identify him.
2. He planned to rob her using the same drugs and she was more alert than he expected.
3. Maybe he has rage towards women that he cannot control and this was a rage killing.
4. He is a disorganized serial killer.
In any case, I do enjoy these psychological assessments.
I believe he killed Stephany in a rage. Maybe he thought she was an agent of the FBI, when he found her going through his stuff after he came back from breakfast. He obviously was trying to get away from Aruba, with the money he had just received from the Holloway family, knowing that leading them to the remains of Natalee, if he even knows where they are, would only make the case against him stronger. I´m sure the Holloway´s didn´t pay him without sending a private detective after him. That, plus the involvement of the FBI would make anyone pretty paranoid.
now he’s apparently claiming besides his earlier rationalizations that she invaded his privacy and tried to or did hit him that he was under the influence of marijuana…sound familiar?? if not for all the CCTV he would be denying it all.
New Barbie Nadeau article in the Daily Beast includes these developments.
He told investigators how he met Flores at a poker table the night before and that she was winning big and he was on a losing streak. They played all night and then went up to his room when the tables closed, just after 5 a.m.
A few hours later, he went out for coffee for both of them and when he came back, he found Flores using his computer without his permission…
Peruvian television networks cite a leaked police report in which he said she was looking at a file of press clips and legal documents on Holloway.
When she accused him of killing the young American who disappeared in Aruba in 2005, he said he lost control. He then allegedly admitted going into a wild rage.
He threw her around the tile room before bashing her head on to the wooden bed frame and then bludgeoning her to death with a tennis racket…
Aad Shalke, a Dutch private investigator and former homicide police officer in the Netherlands, described to The Daily Beast how he spent three days with Van der Sloot shortly after Holloway’s disappearance, trying to ascertain whether he killed her.
Shalke says he administered a polygraph test that Van der Sloot failed when asked if he was involved in the murder of Holloway and the disappearance of her body.
What Shalke found was a control-hungry man who thrived on any attention he got—even from being an accused murderer. “You can read him. He thrived talking about Natalee. He loved it,” Shalke told The Daily Beast. “Joran needs to be in control, and he is capable of lying and embellishing the facts to stay in the superior position. But this is also a guy that, when he is not in control, is capable of anything.”
Shalke says he believes that Van der Sloot played poker so incessantly to feed his narcissism. Van der Sloot was not known to use drugs or abuse alcohol. Instead, Shalke says that he got “a high” when he was winning at the poker table.
Having a losing night at the tables — especially if Flores was winning—might have been enough to push him over the edge. “It may not have been on purpose,” says Shalke. “But it is not impossible that he killed her just to ‘show her’ who is really in control.”...
On Tuesday morning, investigators in Aruba were to begin an intense search near a bird sanctuary after new information emerged from Van der Sloot’s interrogations in Lima. The family of Stephany Flores has reached out to Holloway’s parents, saying they hope Van der Sloot will also admit his involvement in her disappearance….
No matter how tough the interrogations are, things will get much worse when he is transferred to Miguel Castro Castro Prison next weekend. There, he will have to pay for a cell or be forced to sleep in the corridors and common areas with the rest of the prison population…
If Holloway’s body is found, he could also be tried in absentia in Aruba.
an article in the peruvian lareppublica.pe will need to be translated for those of us not fluent in spanish, but it shows what a cold calculated excuse for humanity he is.
Translation of first part of larepublica.pe:
Breakfast with cold thinking on how to dispose of body
By Ernesto Guerrero L.
Confession. Van der Sloot was going to get the remains of the young victim out of the hotel in a suitcase. Ultimately, the killer changed his mind because he feared hotel staff would stop him from walking out with his ¨luggage¨without having paid.
After having assasinated Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramírez, Dutch man Joran van der Sloot did not panic. To the contrary, he acted with incredible coldness.
He sat on the bed in room 309 of Hotel TAC and had breakfast, observing closely the body of the young woman, full of bruises on the floor.
He had two coffees, ate four biscotelas and took three amphetamine pills while he thought about how to get rid of Stephany´s body.
Sources of the police department asserted the confessing killer narrated the above described story during the interrogations executed at the National Criminal Headquarters (Dirincri).
They revealed also that Van der Sloot had consumed the drugs to fight tiredness, since he had played poker with the victim until early in the morning at the Atlantic City casino.
He purchased the single breakfast at a place situated right in front of the hotel.
A suitcase for the remains
He bought two coffees, because, as he put it, was going to have breakfast together with the unfortunate girl, that he had met on the eve of May 29th at the casino. “I was going to use one of my suitcases to get the body out of the hotel. I didn´t, because I was afraid they would stop me from leaving with my suitcases without paying,” stated the 21 year old boy, according to a detective involved in the investigation.
He was broke, had lost almost all his money playing poker since May 14th, when he arrived in Lima, coming from Colombia. For that reason, he owed hotel nights, specified another agent.
He bathed and shaved
The sources consulted by this news paper indicated that the Dutchman did not have any alternative, but to run, even though that would leave evidence.
Before leaving he took a bath and shaved. He had sufficient time to change clothes.
On the bed in the room he left some colorless heavy shorts and a wide cream colored polo shirt. The outfit in which he appears in the surveillance video at 5.20 AM on May 30th, when he entered the hotel TAC with Stephany on the 61st block of Ave. República de Panamá.
He put on a pair of dark blue jeans and a red polo shirt with horizontal white and black lines. The same camaras recorded him leaving like that at 8.45 in the morning of that same may 30th.
On his back he carried a canvas backpack with his inseperable laptop, the one Stephany had dared to explore, the act that had meant -according to the criminal- her death.
Authorities do not discount that Van der Sloot had thought of taking Stephany´s body to the ocean, maybe from a cliff of the Costa Verde or a traditional fishing boat.
That presumption is based on a strange discovery. When the Investigative Police of Chile detained him, they found in his backpack, together with his laptop, a tide table, indicating precisely the foreseen waves of the Lima ocean.
On top of all of this, are the antecedents of the other homicide he was accused of in Aruba. The assasination of U.S. Student Natalee Holloway, the 30th of May 2005.
I find his story with the laptop unbelievable. It doesn’t convince me. I’ve read that police is examining his laptop in order to verify or discard his story. It will be interesting to see what will come out of it.
I wonder if the real reason for his rage was that he was denied sex. Judging by the video footage from security cameras inside the hotel, Stephany Flores didn’t seem too euphoric or excited to accompany him to his hotel room.
If that would have been the real reason and not the weird laptop story, and considering that he was involved in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, I wonder if a man like that stays idle for more than 4 years? Not likely. Natalee Holloway might have been his first victim, Stephany Flores his last, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there was more to discover. Very sad that they let him go away with it in Aruba.
Hi Saskia. Thanks a lot for the great translation. I put out a call for translation (actually to two of us in Spain) but they were tied up at work then.
Hi Nell. Yes, if you watched the evening reports (two hours on CNN Headline) and one on Fox News) the latest seems to be that they are discounting ALL of Van Der Sloot’s own self-serving accounts.
Latest supposition heard here was that he wanted sex, she refused, and so his rampage began.
There is a press conference set for early tomorrow morning in Lima at which a lot of things may get clearer.
Today there were reports that it was the FBI that actually paid the $15,000 or $25,000 to Van Der Sloot (both figures appeared) and not Natalee’s mother. They hurriedly denied it. Big mystery here.
So far it seems that Peru justice processes are looking as firm and efficient as Mignini’s while Aruba’s and the FBI’s seem to be looking less-so.
A lot less so in Aruba’s case. They allowed a probable killer on the lose when they had all they needed to make him face charges.
From what I have read in late March vdSloot contacted Bo Dietl PI who had worked with the Holloway family earlier in Natalee’s disappearance. Bo contacted the family and Beth’s lawyer and the FBI got involved as well as Aruba. They set up the sting to nail him for both extortion and wire fraud but the FBI was trying to help Beth get the answers she wanted and to make the case for murder.
As far as the Stephany case, I think there is a good indication that she was targeted for her poker winnings. He was in dire financial straits according to various indications in Holland. Sex may have been part of it, but I totally agree his “she invaded my privacy” story doesn’t hold up. He’s taken every chance he could to put himself into the spotlight over Natalee’s disappearance, but it hast to be said that is generally with some idea of financial gain.