Explaining To Lisa Marie Basile Why Smart Feminists Have Rightly Been Extremely Wary Of Amanda Knox
Posted by Hopeful
1. Late Joiner Of The Dwindling Knox Parade
A week ago in the Huffington Post Lisa Marie Basile asked why feminists are not storming the barricades for Knox.
The gullible Lisa Marie Basile had obviously swallowed whole Knox’s avid self-promotion and serial demonizing to create a muddled article at best, confused about feminism, poorly researched on the case, nasty to good Italians who are in no easy position to defend themselves, and hugely disrespectful to the real victim.
I want to explain what real feminists are seeing that the faux feminist Lisa Marie Basile has managed to miss. Above all feminism means justice to women, and the many women who post on and support sites like TJMK are upholding justice, for the only woman who counts in this case.
2. An Attack With Indisputable Sex Aspects
Remember, Meredith is the innocent woman who was slain by an undeniably jealous and unhinged fellow female who used two males as her henchmen. No Italian court disagrees with that, and Italian courts (except when hijacked as with Hellmann) are extremely careful. .
The victim was left partly nude and in a staged position on the floor to suggest to whoever found the body that it was a sexual attack. Has Ms. Basile forgotten this actually was a sex crime for which all three were charged and sentenced? This surely opened the door for examination of the sexual behavior of the former suspects.
There was no “gendered expectation” among Italians investigating this crime, only a ” truth expectation.”
Articles like “We Are All Amanda Knox” which Basile mentioned try to normalize and even exult in Amanda’s behavior as a wild woman, but she is not at all the norm there.
Raffaele had led a more restrained sexual lifestyle, actually more typical of a coy young woman than a randy man. Raffaele, in keeping perhaps with the church doctrines in which he had been reared, had not taken any sexual partners except possibly for one, other than in his extensive fantasy life.
Guede’s sex act on Meredith was never in question, as he left behind his DNA to prove he had no boundaries. His nuisance behavior hitting on girls in nightclubs in Perugia was fully discussed, and he got no breaks from anyone on any front.
Knox herself bragged about her liberation ethics and fast work with men. Nobody else turned her into a “filthy, sex-obsessed slut” but herself. The media mostly rather neutrally reported the facts, and even when her track record of casual sex became clearly documented, it was never made a focal point of the trial at all.
What was focused on was Knox’s alibi, her lies that her boss had killed her “friend” and her phone records. Knox was under the microscope for her DNA being found mixed with Meredith’s blood in five locations of the cottage.
Knox was not questioned in court about how many boyfriends she had, or her one-night stands. She was never ever questioned about her sex partners or asked to list them, simply about what males had visited the house who might have had an interest in Meredith.
Again, this after all was staged to look like a sex crime, and had signs of sexual activity on the body. The Italians were hardly rushing off on detours for false reasons of prurient interests.
3. Morphing Into A New Knox Persona
For several years starting in Seattle Knox had adopted a dangerous and very irresponsible lifestyle, which she first bragged about but has tried to back away from since she left Italy. She pretends now to have a monogamous relationship with James Terrano.
Now Amanda manages to visit the television studios in a somber manner without cartwheels or doing splits and laughing. Amazing how serious she has become about her own tragedy while telling it to microphones for the world to hear after giggling about Meredith’s death and sticking her tongue out sitting on a male lap in the police station, making fun of it all when it wasn’t her death involved.
Amanda’s “offness” as Ms. Basile refers to it raised a red flag of disrespect for the victim, which was why it was significant. Her lack of dramatic weeping outside of the cottage was never an issue.
Italians are very savvy. They are hardly the logic challenged numbskulls that Ms. Basile seems to fear they’ve been painted. Her hints that a godfearing Mignini is somehow inept shows her own bias to the godless and ruleless, the lawless and the stupid. I won’t even go into issues of spiritual faith, it is too divisive. Surely we can all agree with the mandate “Thou shalt not kill.”
4. There Was No Witch Hunt Or Inquisition
Sadly Ms. Basile has bought into Knox’s warren of lies about “forced confessions” (in actuality accusations of an innocent man!), and the cleanup that was somehow “impossible” and a “tortured five days of brutal interrogation”.
All have again and again been proven false and didnt stop her serving a three year sentence. Amanda Knox was challenged on her alibi, the presence of her blood at the scene, and her ownership of a key to the non-broken-into cottage.
She herself brought forward her alcohol and drug use, and blamed it for intoxication and lost memory for the night in question.
To rid herself of her most fundamental misconception about Amanda Knox, Lisa Marie Basile should read this series on the interrogation hoax which Knox still pushes and Basile gullibly swallowed.
5. Why Respect The Virtues Of Sexual Purity?
Modern Italian women are more fast, colorful, liberal and worldly than Americans may realize. They certainly dress a lot better. Naturally they try to live out their Catholic faith as best they can, even if we all fail to meet our highest ideals.
At the same time Italians tend to arrive at very close loving enduring families. How women prepare themselves is a very big component of this success - a success which Americans could use a lot more of.
Here are some practical reasons why Italians value sexual responsibility, which have nothing to do with faith, religion, or patriarchy, but only the safety of innocent children.
Italians as all cultures do, prefer women who are cautious and circumspect with their sexuality, as a sign of the woman’s self-discipline, a natural caution toward males as a survival instinct which she will pass on to her offspring.
A female’s self-discipline in sexual matters is a hallmark of her personal self-respect and a sign she is able to envision her larger future as the wife of a dignified man.
Most such men hope to marry a woman clean of physical disease who also carries little emotional baggage from multiple sexual affairs and heartbreaks with multiple men.
The fewer of those encounters before marriage, the better chance the children she bears him will be in no doubt of their parentage.
This is supremely important to the man, who will be working to pass on his entire life’s work and heritage to the children he feels he has truly engendered and who carry his genes and his bloodline.
The children will more likely have a safe lifestyle of similar circumspect behavior and self-discipline inculcated by their mother who will be a large influence on their morals.
The mother’s reputation can add or detract from her children’s social position and can expand their opportunities as people of trustworthy background or its opposite.
There can be a safety aspect. A woman who has had a raunchy past may have unfinished business with various men who may possibly come back into the area, begin to harass, taunt, spread rumors, or even physically threaten and cause difficulty for a new husband’s family, suspicious that perhaps one of the offspring is his own.
In this day of twitter, instagram, Facebook, email, and YouTube, sordid rumors that were once easily squelched now become known worldwide on digital media.
It is simple logic that if a woman while in the heyday of her youth and good looks in the full bloom of health and optimism, could not make attachments or command loyalty and devotion despite going all the way to sleeping with a man, that this person somehow has her radar broken or uses poor judgment.
Perhaps she simply prefers the lust for pleasure over saving herself for marriage to the man who would one day do her the most good and with whom she would develop a lifetime relationship. At any rate, she may have a sex drive that overwhelms her judgment. It may motivate her even after marriage, to break the ties of marriage.
The husband of such a woman will also inherit her personal history and may grow to resent behaviors in her past that might tarnish his future and their children’s.
This is merely a common sense outlook on why it is smart to abstain from sexual intimacies with lots of strangers who have no ongoing goodwill toward the person whose body they use, nor any commitment to the offspring of such union financially or physically.
A woman’s body at any time could conceive despite using birth control.
In each normal sex act she takes the risk of facing the horrendous consequences of pregnancy without emotional support, finances, and then she faces 15 to 20 years of her life required to raise the child while trying to introduce him to various father figures who may never feel the natural bond to the child that a married father would.
Talk to single moms anywhere, their path is no piece of cake. To choose this hard path by one’s own lack of self-discipline and lack of insight is a foolish act. Society is left buying the diapers and formula and helping the exhausted young mother survive her day job and come home to night feedings.
In other words, all the hard duties of childcare are foisted upon those who didn’t ask for them, who may be tired from raising their own legitimate offspring, a hard enough job with two parents committed and working on the children’s behalf.
Social services are stretched hard enough when emergencies, accidents, death or desertion of the male parent leave women and children stranded and abandoned in financial straits.
To jump over this cliff by choice or lack of foresight is foolish of a woman who knows a child needs two devoted parents. It’s self-absorbed, pleasure loving behavior with refusal to delay gratification.
It is selfish to the community.
Governments have to chase down these fathers for non-support of their own children.
Taxpayers and others who had no joy of the sex act or the union however brief it was, are forced for decades by welfare agencies (and basic compassion) to fork out child support dollars for strangers, rather than see the infant starve.
The child of these hasty and ill-fated unions already may face for a lifetime the hardship of feeling unwanted by his father. He or she may suffer embarrassment at his mom’s unwise youthful choices that were predicated on her lack of logic or poor self-control and willful betrayal of her children’s best future for one of difficulty and poverty.
Where is the love? It was love for self, not others.
An aside: Thank goodness God in heaven does love us all, no matter what our parents made a mess of. All can be resolved in peace and love, but the path of natural life will be much tougher and more limited when the child will not learn problem solving skills from two parents of the opposite sex nor have the benefit of the greater security. “Two are better than one, for they have more reward for their labor.”
6. Precisely WHO Are Today’s Feminists?
There are many forms of feminism. Oddly Ms. Basile is determined to argue for the imparting of partiality and favoritism to a woman who has been found to have killed another woman using two males as proxies. Ms. Basile’s biased view is based on Amanda Knox being wrongfully condemned because Basile thinks she is attractive and sexually free.
But this never happened. There was hard proof against her in DNA in three rooms and a corridor in the house and on a knife handle and upper blade..
Where are all the feminists? Those who have their facts right are allowing justice to take its course, that’s where. Justice is blind, and does not favor the pretty over the ugly or the rich over the poor. Yet all these things may be factors in the cause of any crime.
There are as many flavors of feminist as there are ideologies in the world. Consider this list.
- Liberal feminism
- Radical feminism
- Conservative feminism
- Separatist feminism
- Materialist feminism
- Socialist feminism
- Marxist feminism
- Feminist punk movement
- Feminism as a social construction
- Lipstick feminism
There are dozens and dozens. There are Christian feminists (I am one). All are equal before God, Mary is the mother of the Church, she was allowed to usher in the Savior of mankind. God uses women to restore what women through Eve lost.
Look at Meredith’s heel being exposed under the duvet. (see Genesis 3:15 prophecy from God that the seed of the woman would crush Satan’s head, but Satan would bruise his heel.)
Meredith was even worried she’d packed no socks when she first came to Perugia, and she told friends she hoped her dad would bring some, revealing concern about uncovered feet. .
There are the early feminist suffragettes who worked for women’s right to vote and birth control. The second wave campaigned for legal and social and political equality for women. Equal work for equal pay. The second wave feminists declared, “The personal is political”.
The second wave in about 30 years splintered off into various feminist camps divided on the issues of pornography *is it exploitative of women or a celebration of sexuality?, male equality versus misandry, homosexuality, the racial issues of women of color, the cultural (some Islamic, some Jewish, some WASP, etc.) women in developed countries versus poverty stricken nations.
Feminism is not a monolithic entity. Arguments abound whether we’re now living in a postfeminist society, whether gender equality has been achieved.
Then there’s third wave feminism.
7. Feminism In The Case Of Meredith’s Murder
The truth of whether a person committed a crime rises above all of these feminist ideologies. All of them. It is not a traditional role problem, it is a problem of no respect for Meredith’s particular life.
If she had been male, the bullies would not have dared.
So it was her femaleness that made her a target. Ironically her vulnerability was caused by another female’s envy and anger management issues and extremely irresponsible lifestyle.
Knox is a very misguided cause for smart feminists.
Thanks for this Hopeful.
I pointed out some of Lisa Marie Basile’s factual errors to her on Twitter, but she had no intention of acknowledging them.
Instead she made a series of ridiculous excuses why she wouldn’t discuss the case with me and others e.g. she doesn’t live on Twitter and disappeared into thin air. Her ego is obviously far more important than truth and justice.
She’s just mindlessly regurgitated the same old PR lies about satanic motive, police coercion, Knox not being given any food or water etc.
She also provided a detailed eyewitness account of what happened when Knox was at the police station despite the fact that Basile wasn’t there. It’s amazing how many Amanda Knox fans do this.
I have no time or patience for such simpletons who always want to ride their hobby horse - in her case feminism, patriarchal society and slut-shaming.
It’s like trying to argue Myra Hindley must be innocent because some journalists made some sexist comments about her. She doesn’t seem to understand that salacious comments in the media about Knox doesn’t mean she’s innocent.
The final straw was her claiming on Twitter that Injustice in Perugia isn’t a biased website.
In scanning through all the various posts,I cannot think of a more scary “reality” to live in than one that, in reality, is really an unreality.
Just imagine, for a moment, being stuck in a place where their reality becomes the lies they choose to believe with no possibility of ever breaking free of that.
Where there’s no truth present – which is the reality the adherent choose when they rejected the truth and its corresponding freedom – and thus be stuck living without relief in a world where coming to the truth is impossible.
And to make matters even worse – the individual themselves never realizes the problem, and their “answers” or “solutions” they attempt to apply provide zero deliverance in the vicious cycle of deception they become locked into.
Great article, Hopeful. It is hard to see why situational feminists like Lisa Marie Basile ignore the fact that if some in the media projected the sexual aspects of Knox’s persona, she benefited also from the diminishing of Meredith Kercher because she was foreign, and bi-racial, and Knox was your typical (white) American girl next door.
But the comments below her article are funnier anyway:
Bruce Fischer · Top Commenter · Executive Director at Injustice Anywhere
No one has said that Amanda was tortured for 5 days. Amanda was questioned repeatedly for 5 days. She was questioned as a suspect without an attorney in a foreign country where she had limited understanding of the language. The information that was extracted from the coerced confession turned out to be false. This often happens during coerced confessions. Amanda retracted her statements as soon as she was out of the helpless situation she found herself in.
You will need to elaborate on the claims that Steve Moore stated that Amanda was tortured for 5 days without food or water. I think you may have that wrong.
Amanda stated that she was offered tea after her interrogators obtained the information they were seeking. Before that point, Amanda was being shouted at, threatened with 30 years in prison and slapped on the back of the head. All of these things are disputed as well but unfortunately the police did not record the interrogation.
June 1 at 11:39pm
Jennifer Allans · University of Washington
to Bruce Fischer:
Hey, Bruce, before you shoot the messenger/questioner, I would like to reiterate, I am new to this case, & there is a heap of conflicting information. I prefer to ask questions & read before ultimately making my mind up.
Mr Clemente stated in a message on the twitter website: “She was interrogated 5 days in a row & overnight.”
Mr Moore stated in a discussion with a Mr Callan, I believe, that Ms Knox was deprived of food & water.
Amanda claimed it was only 3 days of questioning, I believe during her first court appearance in 2008. I would have to look back to find the source of that information.
The slaps on the back of the head, with repeated coerced questioning, in a language she was not conversant in, all the while being deprived of food/water & toilet breaks, would infer torture or very close to the definition of torture?
A website I keep reading about, Shock in Perugia I believe, has been cited as a good source of information, yet I cannot find it for the life of me?
Bruce Fischer · Top Commenter · Executive Director at Injustice Anywhere
to Jennifer Allans:
When they say overnight, they are referring to the last day of questioning. They are also referring to the same night when discussing the denial of food and water. No one is making the claim that Amanda did not eat or drink for 5 days. You appear to be exaggerating the statements you are reading.
Where are you reading about Perugia Shock? That is a blog that was created by Frank Sfarzo. The blog was taken offline due to a defamation lawsuit filed by Giuliano Mignini. It was put back online for a while but was taken down again due to pressure of the lawsuit. Mignini has a history of trying to silence his detractors.
What a liar. Perugia Shock was taken down when Frank started shedding hard drives all over America, and evidence of his sexual escapades, being thrown out of Canada, assaults on family, women, aged supporters and disabled people came to light and was so rancid that the FOA who controlled and paid for the mirror site pulled the plug on Frank. It is Bruce Fischer who has a history of trying to silence his detractors, and Frank, and the FOA, are trying very hard to distance themselves from each other.
Fischer is nothing if not pompous. And a bit dense. The Machine says Basile is beholden to Fischer. Talk about false gods. Here are other mistakes the error-prone “executive director” makes in the space of the mere 10 lines above.
Amanda was questioned repeatedly for 5 days.
Knox was questioned several times quite briefly. So were many others. Read the trial transcripts, dummy.
She was questioned as a suspect without an attorney
Her own defense agrees she was never questioned as a suspect until she had a lawyer with her. She twice refused an attorney on the night. Read the trial transcripts, dummy.
she had limited understanding of the language
She had an excellent interpreter. All she was doing was list-building. Read the trial transcripts, dummy.
information that was extracted from the coerced confession
Nothing was coerced. She volunteered it. It was not a confession. It was a false accusation. Read the trial transcripts, dummy.
Amanda retracted her statements
Her three statements were all her own idea. She did not retract any of them, she built upon them, fingering Sollecito as well as Patrick in the third. Read the trial transcripts, dummy.
Amanda stated that she was offered tea after her interrogators obtained the information
She was there unwanted. She was repeatedly given refreshments and taken to the cafeteria. She WANTED to build the list of names, and could have walked right out of there. Read the trial transcripts, dummy.
Amanda was being shouted at, threatened with 30 years in prison and slapped on the back of the head.
NONE of those things happened. She made them up. It was a quiet meeting. There were three calm ladies and one man holding her hand to relax her. Read the trial transcripts, dummy.
When they say overnight, they are referring to the last day of questioning.
She helped build the list of names after the interpreter came. Then she had her spontaneous conniption and some minutes of babbling. Then she insisted on writing out TWO statements, the second right after she was read her rights. That occupied in total about one hour. Read the trial transcripts, dummy.
[Perugia Shock] was taken down again due to pressure of the lawsuit
Right, Ergon, it wasnt. Perugia Shock was under no threat, though Chris Mellas got terrified and removed it anyway. It was Frank himself under threat: wanted by police in three countries.
Mignini has a history of trying to silence his detractors.
Mignini does no such thing. He is REQUIRED to push back against contempts of court. Fischer thinks he has a license to defame foreigners as mucnas he pleases with no corrections, but would be far too cowardly to use his rants against a US prosecutor.
I will never stop thinking of Fischer as a coward after his years of vicious defamations while posing as “Bruce Fisher of New York”. Really he is an unemploiyed drifter outside Chicago, with a worse job record than Guede, who lives off his gullible wife’s family
Hi, Peter, all I can say about Ms Basile is she writes at the same level of ability as Amanda Knox, and Huffington Post? I used to enjoy posting there, but now it’s a $118 million gold plated turd-upgraded version of Ground Report.
I look at the Where Are All The Feminists piece, and in the right hand sidebar it’s “Lindsay Lohan in a green sports bra”, Chrissy Teigen underwear red carpet” “Maria Menounos (who?)in bikini malfunction”
Somewhere, Betty Friedan is weeping.
My post disappeared!! Thanks to Hopeful.
I wish I could fav Ergons post. I agree, B Friedan softly weeps.
Lovely to read such a sensible post, Hopeful…thank you very much.
“Just imagine, for a moment, being stuck in a place where their reality becomes the lies they choose to believe with no possibility of ever breaking free of that”.
Agreed. A living nightmare for most people. A minority seem capable of navigating such “unreality” without blinking. Even prison holds no fears for such people, they can possibly be even more unreal and happier there than they can be outside, albeit within boundaries they are seemingly able to accept.
The “quirky” one (cough) herself apparently managed very well in prison. No problem. That’s something everyday “ducking and diving”, dodgy criminals find hard to do. Imagine how much harder it would have been for any normal person who was the unfortunate “innocent victim” of a grand Italian conspiracy?
AK is very sick - we have to constantly bear that in mind. Prison will actually be something of a sanctuary for her, especially an Italian prison. Apart from anything else she will be separated from her pathetically unhelpful family and cheer-leaders.
I love the photo of Lisa Marie Basile. The intelligence behind the eyes is truly amazing.
AK, RS and RG weren’t prosecuted because of any “-ism”. All the police involved (including at least two women) testified to AK’s peculiar behaviour which included, but was not limited to, pulling faces, performing gymnastics, and whinging about discomfort after already having been asked to go home.
Basile is wrong about several essential points (as detailed by Ergon, The Machine, and others) but also about the “-isms” surrounding the case. Less prevalent is her allegation that “if her text message was sent to anyone else of any race, the same would have occurred. She named him because they named him.” But that’s not how Knox explained it to the judge:
GCM: In this message, was there the name of the person it was meant for?
AK: No, it was the message I wrote to my boss.
As we saw during the recent post on Rita Ficarra’s testimony, the case file includes a photograph of AK’s mobile phone where the enigmatic message was found.
Knox deliberately named Patrick only after inserting a vague description of Guede during the roughly two hours during which she was drawing maps for the police. We know about the vague description from the police testimony and it’s repeated by Knox herself in her “memoir”. She was not nearly as vague while accusing Patrick of murder and summoning the gall to repeat the accusation for Mignini’s benefit four hours later.
Basile should read the available documentation before throwing out unfounded accusations against the police, the judges, the prosecutors, the Italian justice system, and anyone else except convicted liar Amanda Knox.
It never ceases to (I don’t know if the following is the right word for me) amaze me how people seem to swallow what Amanda Knox says so easily and how they can twist everything to hang the conviction of Amanda Knox onto a feminist peg.
I don’t understand it.
Surely Basile knows that Knox’s victim - Meredith Kercher, was a young woman too?
I cannot see how this terrible and tragic murder can be viewed like this, as if it’s a crime against women that Knox has been convicted of the murder of Meredith Kercher.
Perhaps the scraping of the barrel from Knox?
With the clock ominously ticking in the desperate dark days of impending doom in her Seattle bunker Knox is enlisting anyone to help her?
Apologies to those looking for the next post or confirmation of registration. Many here will kindly step in and take over if prewarned, but I was delayed unexpectedly while on the road. Happy to be back online later today.
No worries. The longer this goes on the better since the US audience have already become tired of it since to them it’s old news. That being he case more and more people are looking at this with a more jaundiced view because they have stopped believing in Knox since whenever she opens her mouth all the better.
I am also struck by the usual quartet who defend Knox on Ground Report. Surely they mus work together. It is my opinion that at least three of them are family Curt Knox/Chris Mellas, etc: Steve Moore and Bruce Fisher seem to be the only rabid loonies who use their own names. Any comments on this?
Fun Quiz: What Country In The World Best Fits Your Personality? http://www.playbuzz.com/larak10/what-country-in-the-world-best-fits-your-personality
I got Italy, LOL.
I got India.
Someone should send it to Knoxious. She’d likely get Nigeria (or Planet Zog).
Very funny, Odyssseus.
World English Dictionary
informal ( Brit ) a place or situation that is far removed from reality or what is currently happening: those of you who’ve been on planet Zog for the last ten years
I came out as France..
I redid mine because there were one or two questions where more than one answer applied. I also came out France the second time. Salut!
I do feel more attracted to France - certainly as regards a place to live.
On reflection, quick apologies to Nigeria for suggesting that Knoxious might find that’s the country that suits her personality. It came to mind because of its reputation at one time (maybe undeserved/ outdated) for criminality.
I’ll just stick with Planet Zog.
There’s always North Korea
Oh I think Nigeria was a perfect choice, Odysseus, I’m sure her fans will be getting lots of e-mails asking for assistance in retrieving funds from blocked accounts soon, your banking info required
Oh , so you get them too!
OK reinstate Nigeria as suitable for Knoxious
Since AK is the “Ultimate Unsuitable”, as such she is suitable everywhere.
Nina Burleigh has written a non-story on an obscure blog. It just gives Nina a chance to hold out her begging bowl:
“The Knox family’s legal and travel bills are now well into the multi-millions. When traveling abroad, an ounce of prevention is definitely worth a pound of cure. Before you leave, buy and read my book, The Fatal Gift of Beauty. It is a good true yarn, people can’t put it down, and you will come away with an understanding of just how this celebrated crime’s true story was “lost in translation.”
The very unseemly Nina Burleigh, not uninterested in selling her and Amanda Knox’s books: http://asorblog.org/?p=7429&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=amanda-knoxs-lessons-for-students-traveling-abroad “Amanda Knox’s Lessons for Students Traveling Abroad”
She seems to think Italy is the same as her native Iraq, yet suggests that people respect the culture when travelling abroad. It seems she is irony challenged, or hasn’t read her own book then
Nina Burleigh can’t even get basic facts right e.g. Meredith’s birthday. Why should anyone take her seriously?
I did the playbuzz thing and got Brazil, quite apt really. Knox did it and got Mogadishu.
The 50 most common FOA myths should be posted on TJMK in a couple of hours. It will be tweeted or emailed to literally hundreds of journalists.
There’s Lisa Basile’s response, in which, instead of responding to Selene Nelson or the factual inaccuracies in her original article, doubles down with more personal attacks: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-marie-basile/why-we-owe-it-t_b_5562332.html
I should correct: she does respond to Selene, but it’s still, personal attacks. Looking forward to Selene’s response here.
The muddled and ill-informed Lisa Marie Basile in the Huffington Post hangs a lot on her total misrepresentation of the HIV and sex partners list correctly depicted by Michael here.
Apart from being ignorant of the basic facts of the case, Lisa Marie Basile is incredibly thick. She doesn’t seem to understand that subsequent tests on different DNA samples don’t invalidate previous tests results.
I’ve never seen her cite any official court documents. Her sources are Candace Dempsey, Nina Burleigh and Injustice in Perugia. Can you imagine the defence lawyers citing Candace Dempsey or Nina Burleigh at the Italian Supreme Court?
Nina Burleigh has made numerous false claims about the case, including getting Meredith’s birthday wrong in her book.
Candace Dempsey has also made numerous false claims about the case. For example, Knox wasn’t doing cartwheels at the police station, you can’t see the gates of the cottage from Piazza Grimana, Knox didn’t know Guede and there was no trace of Sollecito in Meredith’s room. She falsely claimed she got her journalism degree in the 1990s when in fact she got in the 1970s. Her account on Wikipedia was blocked because she was using one or more sock puppet accounts.
Ergon & the Machine
Great responses on Huffungton Post. The response to Lias Marie Basile’s attack on me (“heavy cyber and sexual-assault allegations.”) is here. See the second half. This was purely a financial fraud.
And the response to her effusive quoting of Andrew Gumbel is here, since when e has gone quiet.
Added: This is reflected in the Breaking News box which will not stay up indefinitely so here is a copy of the text there.
Breaking news. Lisa Marie Basile’s malicious and ill-researched piece on the Huffington Post (1) repeats false claims about TJMK which were long ago rebutted here (see part 3); her false claim which she now KNOWS is false becomes a libel under US, UK and Italian law if it remains up; and (2) approvingly quotes Andrew Gumbel, who is in fact being charged for numerous malicious claims himself, such as those rebutted here.
An oddity of Basile is she has no accounting for the conviction of Sollecito or Guede; it is all solely about the apple of her eye, Knox. SomeAlibis top post on Sollecito now shows that Knox’s real nemesis is those other two; Basile is fighting the wrong war in the wrong universe.
I just posted this comment on Lisa Basile’s article
Hi, Lisa, re your statement: “A telling digression: one of the more popular anti-Knox sites, TrueJustice.org, has been hit with some heavy cyber and sexual-assault allegations” did you fact check, or are you taking a pro-Amanda Knox website’s allegations at face value, and worse, linking Huffington Post to a libelous article?
Here is what Peter Quennell, the owner of the site you just maligned had to say back in January 2013 http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/unmasking_what_is_behind_the_angry_virulence_of_bruce_fischer/ in which he not only explains why the allegations simply are not true, but it’s a business agreement that went sour, in which he’s still owed $15,000. I hope, in the interests of fairness, you will publish this comment.
Now that you’ve been informed of the other side of the story, do you still stand by what you wrote? Or will you be prepared to revise your statement? I think it’s ironic, that the Amanda case also, began as a false accusation.
Hi, all, my latest to LMB and HuffPo:
“Hi, Lisa, since you quote Andrew Gumbel as a reliable source perhaps you might want to read this article as well
For your information, the false accusations that were inserted into Raffaele Sollecito’s book are now the subject of a criminal investigation for which he had to appear before a magistrate last week, along with Gumbel’s attorney.
I really would urge you to fact check before you use unreliable people as a source. May I suggest you read the many translations of original trial documents on our site before you label us all as “haters?”
Thanks. Great work. I am impressed.
Lisa Marie Basile may seem an odd spectacle, one fruitcake with seeming learning disabilities leaping to the support of another, except that Knox’s bandwagon has become riddled with them. SeekingUnderstanding has said things on the psychology of this.
I doubt that this phenomenon would normally draw in a big percentage nationally, but it is of concern that the internet enables them (many of whom might hate one another face-to-face and probably do), and the slow-tanking of the US economy for many without a good degree doesnt help.
I sent Lisa Marie Basile a lot of hard facts and links to chew on, but all seem to have bounced right off. She is fixated on Knox as victim, and may remain impervious to facts. In this new post she is the victim too. How many times have we heard that - an army of whiners for sure.
She may be one of those economic walking wounded. I asked if she was getting paid, given all of the grubbing for bloodmoney going on, and she seemed shocked like it hadnt occurred to her. She said she has several degrees but also said something that implied to me she is perpetually broke.
If you want to have a good career these days, a good degree in a practical area sure helps - but announcing oneself as a fruitcake to the world wont have potential top employers lining up. Ask Fischer and Steve Moore.
Yeah, Peter, I was actually being nice, but honestly, there’s a subset of ‘feminists’ who set my teeth on edge, the constant rant of victimology that manipulators like Knox so easily conned into supporting her. Nina Burleigh is the classical example of that, and LMB just following in those steps.
I see that in Knox’s male followers too, this sense of failure, lack of achievement, and it’s all someone else’s fault. No, the fault lies in their lack of intelligence and lack of get up and go.
My wife and three daughters would just roll their eyes at this going on, they all achieve because they work, don’t whine.
This is one thing we all recognize in Meredith Kercher, how much of an achiever she really was, and what a loss to her family, and the world it was, if her life had not so cruelly been cut short.
Hi Ergon. An oddity of Basile is she has no accounting for the conviction of Sollecito or Guede; it is all solely about the apple of her eye, Knox. SomeAlibis top post on Sollecito now shows that Knox’s real nemesis is those other two; Basile is fighting the wrong war in the wrong universe.
You do know I met with Nina of course. It was for about 6 hours in mid trial in 2009 and we got on well. She is very tiny, and was funny and self deprecating, giving me a signed copy of a book, paying for lunch, having me to her place, meeting her children.
She then was quite convinced Knox did it. She admitted the publishers advance was small and she had no previous experience on crime stories. Previous books had made no money. She said she was heading off to Perugia for the second time and for financial reasons thought she would be back in NY within a short time.
But I was warned she sat only with defense forces in Perugia, and she stayed on for many months, so she clearly got bloodmoney financial help from somewhere. Her book is nasty toward Mignini etc but she is also not too wonderful toward Amanda and the Knoxes or toward Italy. She had not lived outside the US before and shows classic signs of culture shock. Hours a day with Edda and David Anderson imprinted a false paradigm.