Knox Was Actually A Fake Exchange Student In Europe

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To be fair, most students are responsible and are aware of their own limits. We see such (or similar) incidences only once in a blue moon. But then the administration (if there is one) can do only so much. We certainly cannot monitor every move of every student on the campus.

But then American students are more mature and “adult” compared to the European students of the same biological ages. Yes, even British. By all measures, she was an exception.

Mediocrity and lack of due diligence are often present as characteristics in Narcissism.

To comment on the headline.

People with low self esteem in general and Knox in particular elevate themselves by either exaggeration in some cases or outright lies in others. Some pad their resume while others lie to the extent that they don’t care even if the lie is so obvious as to defy all credibility. All they care about (Knox + her mother and father) is that they believe it themselves because they can’t admit to their own mediocrity.

That was the difference because Meredith who merely by her presence showed Knox just what a total nothing she was and still is. Sollecito….... same tar and same brush. In a word “Low Breeding Stock”

TJMK Main Posters have got it exactly right. Knox wanted no supervision, no restraints, and no responsibilities. I think she was naive about her self-discipline and the power of addiction. She might have had good intentions of wanting to elevate her mind with art, sculpture, history, and scenic Italy, but she refused to control or respect herself along the way.

It’s eerily akin to the plot of “Taken”, the movie with Liam Neeson where a foolish young woman begs permission to go abroad but she lies to her dad about the itinerary.

Poets like Shelley, Byron, and the writer of Frankenstein, Mary Wollstonecraft, all went to Italy fleeing social conformity. Amanda resisted social conventions. Maybe she has an artistic temperament poisoned by aggression. She must have read of the tragic lives of such writers. Shelley drowned off Italy.

I wish Knox had gone the fully wild route and been honest about her intentions. She could have used youth hostels and done hippie backpacking. She might have learned more that way and avoided murdering anyone. If a roommate irritated her she could simply move on. She might have ended up in Spain among the gypsies, or in Amsterdam among the free love and drug cults. Perhaps her proposed trip to South America to visit the former drug-mule cellmate “Laura” is more of the same wanderlust with a sneaky endgame.

@SeekingUnderstanding, it’s succinct the way you explain it: mediocrity and a lack of due diligence is a trait of narcissism. Thanks, I really do learn a lot from you.

@TJMK Main Posters, I agree with every word of your post. You have Knox pegged and the lies in her book made visible.

Hi hopeful

Not just that but I believe that Knox had such a high regard for her powers of seduction that she could pick up anybody and use them to her one ends. Trouble was she hadn’t encountered anyone as sophisticated as Meredith before who saw right through her little game and called her on it.

For Knox there could be nothing worse than having her entire cover blown by someone far more intelligent than she was and till is. It sticks in her throat that even now there are people such as ourselves taking this analysis from an academic point of view who see through her lies and watch her twist in the wind knowing she is guilty. For her there can be no escape from mediocrity and guilt.

Another lie. Exposed. Thanks.

Great. I remember reading these way back and then they sort of got subsumed with the avalanche of PR-inspired press articles on the Internet.

It is good to gather everything up like this, sort it out and present it coherently in a chronological sense.  TJMK really does serve as a resource centre for this case and it is reassuring to know that people come to read up and inform themselves of the facts. 

PMF, too.  The Machine has just observed that the Massei report has been downloaded 200 times in the last 2 weeks.

Well done to all of you,  and particularly Pete, for maintaining the ante!  The Truth will be revealed.

P.S. Isn’t that Knox in the photo - bottom right?

If Knox gets pregnant in the next few months, could that delay her extradition?

Remember Knox helped out her fellow-inmates with their small children at Capanne ............

Ah yes indeed… thanks for the reassurance thundering.

But from the US side, with her several months pregnant, would they still send her over in that state, to have the child in prison?

Well, I think she may try that one on and her doting entourage certainly will so there may be a delay during the scuffle but not for long. 

Just think about the US prisons - no breaks for maternity leave there, I would say. 

Anyway, AK’s child will have an adoring grandmother who would certainly look after him / her (iMO).

What a grizzly thought!

I wasn’t aware of any prison/extradition policy on it, so thanks for that.

It seems that education was secondary to Knox when she went to Perugia although her PR company and family and friends would have us believe she is a near genius.

She herself said she was “intoxicated by freedom” - whatever that means or caused her to do.  Unfortunately poor Meredith outdid Knox on every level without even trying - just by being herself.

From looks, intelligence, charm, class and sophistication right down to appearing in a slick and professionally made music video, while Knox was reduced to the level of inanely strumming one chord over and over again much to everyone’s chagrin.

Knox must have been seething inside.

As we know all too well by now Knox creates a fantasy world and then happily proceeds to live in it. Alice in Wonderland. It matters not if her created world bears no relation to our consensual reality, as I think SeekingUnderstanding has pointed out here before. If it’s her “best truth”, so be it - she thinks. Unfortunately that leaves everyone else to deal with the consequences of her ignorance.

It would be interesting to know more about her life pre-Perugia. It’s hard to believe that she only began to totally unravel when she got to Europe. I’ve read a few reports that she was considered “quirky”, “dippy”, etc by acquaintances in her home city but never more than that. I can’t help feeling a lot of people may be keeping schtum out of a sense of loyalty to the family, chivalry or heaven knows what else.

Hi Chami

Agreed. A study year abroad is a terrific idea in a world where living elsewhere for a while is getting harder and harder. When I managed a Europe-wide program for the United Nations (Italy was an eager part) for developing various managerial and technical systems the primary carrot for the thousands involved was study tours and fellowships at colleges elsewhere in Europe and in the US.

Here Knox has chilled REAL study abroad programs somewhat for US students by falsely claiming she was on one, a mantra picked up by a dozen or more foolish student journalists who then wrote warning fellow students about those nasty furriners and maybe dont go.

The FOA tried to claim Perugia University was seeing foreign applications drop, but we checked it out and found all Italian universities had slightly less foreign applications because of the 2009-2011 economic downturn.

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/dont_be_fooled_by_the_recent_claim_that_the_knox-sollecito_case_imperi/

There is one phenomenon among some American students abroad that lands some of them in trouble, and even facing murder charges in their host country (including several in Italy since Meredith died):

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/report_students_studying_abroad_on_average_double_or_triple_their_alco/

The reforms Andrea Vogt described have somewhat stopped some students falling through the cracks (unintentionally or intentionally). They now either head out with a formal arrangement which would include some monitoring at the other end or they are totally detached from their college at home. Their choice and their parents choice. Either/or.

If Knox had been monitored as all other American students in Perugia were, at maximum Meredith might still be alive. Meredith would have been interviewed (or sought an interview) if the monitor picked up that Knox was becoming too much of a handful for most people to take and Knox would have been leaned on to shape up.

But how to transform foolish parents like Knox’s? Having sent a known loose canon to Europe, their denial and blame of others only seems to rise and rise.

Interesting many comments on London just recently on PMF, Meredith’s home city. “Provincial” according to Nina Burly (where does she live?).

I too lived in London (Camden Town) in my twenties and I know all the places mentioned very well - especially the Coach and Horses where when I visit my brother we still meet up for a couple of scoops there.

I remember the Cook writing a kind of travelogue on London, it was laughable at best and before she jumped on the bloodmoney bandwagon to make a living out of Meredith’s murder.

On reading the Cooks scribblings on London the reader would think as soon as they set foot on the tarmac of Heathrow airport they would be instantly slaughtered.

She must have been reading up on Charles Dickens to try and get a perspective on things before she published her piece.
I was left thinking she must have been ‘bewildered’ by things just like Knox was when taking drinks to customers in Patrick’s bar.

London is one of the most sophisticated cultural and literary centres in the world, and has been for a thousand years.
You have to know where to look of course, (it’s large) and someone without subtlety in their nature might miss it…

Another excellent article as usual. Well done for exposing another lie. I think at some level Knox herself realizes that it is difficult to pull this one off. I remember her spouting some nonsense about not enrolling in the University because she was not aware of it or something (Something on the lines of “damn if only I had known there was a university here, I would have attended too”). This was in reference to the difference between Meredith and her own programs. This is actually very telling in more ways than one. She realizes that her program was way inferior to that of Meredith’s and so she tries to put it down to her lack of awareness rather than any real lack of capability, ambition or talent. This shows that she was very aware of the differences between herself and Meredith, and is desperately trying to cover the fact that she could not measure up. Otherwise why all this pretense? What is the harm in admitting you wanted to explore a bit? As if someone who tries to go abroad for an year on their own money and has done all this “research” wouldn’t know about the most famous University in the place. Come on already.

… ci sono battaglie che non abbiamo scelto …

http://www.artsjournal.com/slippeddisc/2013/07/carlotta-nobile-there-is-an-afterwards-you-will-never-stop-fighting-for.html

It would be very interesting to see Knox’s transcripts from the Univ of Washington before she went to Perugia.

Just an opinion, but I think her transcripts will prove the complete opposite of an “honor student,” which the public has been led to believe.

IF Knox were an “honor student,” you can bet her transcripts would have somehow gotten into the hands of the U.S. media, and they would have used it to their benefit.

I know it is very unusual for someone’s transcripts to be made public.  But Knox and her groupies are a very desperate bunch and they would resort to anything necessary.

Have a nice evening everyone !

And True Justice for Meredith !

Well it seems to have been corroborated in some statements and reports.

This is taken from the second article above:

“A month later, the honor student’s pub-crawling, pot-smoking college shenanigans had taken a very serious turn and she was being hauled off to the Capanne penitentiary, where she remains today, pleading her innocence as the trial and controversial accusations against her plod forward.”

What does ‘honor student’ actually represent in UW terms?

I thought this is an interesting link, perhaps not directly in relation to the above posting, but generally with the relationship of AK and RS, and also AK and her mother, and perhaps both her parents together too :

http://liespotting.com/2012/07/new-research-truth-telling-dyads-share-memories-deceptive-dyads-work-in-parallel/

Here’s another link with some very interesting tips on recognizing lies.
Note Tip 3. This micro expression I have frequently observed in AK’s interviews.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/26/lying-liespotting-detection-leadership-managing-honesty.html

And this is about the way liars use words to obscure the truth (the verbal as well as the non-verbal signs) :

http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/

Thank you SeekingUnderstanding. Very interesting.
I’ve also noticed the asymmetric sneer on our heroine’s face.

She also has a way of holding her jaw when answering emotionally affecting questions as if to suggest the topic is very poignant for her - thus evoking sympathy in the listener, but it actually suggests (to me anyway) repressed anger, which seems to be a family trait - certainly with father Curt anyway.

Sometimes (as in the Dianne Sawyer interview) she could almost be a child manipulating a parent after being taken to task for some misbehaviour. Is this where AK learnt her canny (sometimes) skills of deception, at her mother’s knee?

@Odysseus
Such behavioural patterns are highly likely to be entrenched in childhood/immature times, and with the primary caregiver.

At some point (and one can only guess, though hopefully with some accuracy), childish lies and dissembling must have been allowed to pass without correction, and possibly it became a ‘game’ of sorts to see just how ‘clever’ she could be to pull the wool over adults’ eyes.

I remember my parents would become quite solemn and serious if we so much as told the tiniest lie - it wasn’t so much what the lie was about, but we were made to understand the principle of being honest, and why it matters.

I feel uneasy when I read, above, ’ my mother was a free spirit,who believes we should go where are passions take us.’
Anywhere they take us? How close is this to pure indulgence and lack of moral discipline ?

Seems to me that Knox could not except her fathers rejection. So she blamed her mother and so it all began. I have to admit that her ‘new’ sic: father must have left a very negative impression since he looks like Oliver Hardy of Laurel & Hardy fame, not much to write home about. So she went out of her way to hurt them all by proxy. If I’m right then this is where the slutty behavior started.
Interesting case history though where the anger is never far below the surface. I’m not comparing her to Jody Arias for example. Arias is just mentally deranged.
Knox did all of these things of her own free will knowing full well what she was doing. Add Sollecito and drugs and the end is pretty predictable. If it hadn’t been Meredith it’s quite possible that it would have been Antonio Curatolo, sort of a scene from a clockwork orange.
Be that as it may, Knox and Sollecito and their families will even carry, and to quote Knox directly.
“The Mask of the Assassin”

@ncountryside,

Grazie. Che tragedia!!

Students who play and stray, using school as a cover for their real goals, here’s another example: Christopher Porco. He was also born on July 9th, like Amanda Knox. He was enrolled in the University of Rochester (NY) and showed sociopathy there, lying about his income, bragging about relatives’ nonexistent wealth and throwing parties for his frat brothers, while forging his dad’s name on loans and lying to his mom and dad about everything.

In November 2004 he sneaked into his mom and dad’s bedroom and took an axe to both of them. His mom survived, though with serious head injuries.

And remember Peter Van Sant of 48 Hours CBS? He played devil’s advocate, questioning the proof against Chris Porco.

Like Amanda Knox, Chris Porco agreed to go to the police station. He said, “I wanted to be as helpful as I could. I knew that in cases like this, you know, the quicker the better. So I wanted to give them what they needed to figure out who did it.” (He himself had done it!)

His alibi was that he slept in the lounge of his frat house. His frat brothers testified otherwise. Then he tweaked his alibi when his yellow jeep was seen leaving campus on surveillance cameras. He said he moved it to park off campus, and then wandered around until sometime after 3:30 a.m. when he returned to the dorm lounge and fell asleep.

Prosecutors said Chris was broke and desperate and his sales of stolen goods on Ebay were being discovered. He killed for an insurance payout. His mother defended him at trial, but she was brain damaged and nobody took her seriously. They gave Porco 50 years.

Peter Porco, this villain’s father, was a marvelous man. The family lived near Albany, New York.

See   http://truthinjustice.org/chris-porco.htm

With respect to the issue of extradition, I would like to hear some informed discussion about how the cases of Mr.Snowden and former station CIA station chief Mr. Lady might give us any indication of how Italy and US might deal with the issue if Ms. Knox is ever sought for extradition by Italy.

On the one hand, the US has been pushing European countries to give up Snowden.  That might suggest that the US might feel an obligation to honor requests from other countries.

On the other hand, Italy has wanted Mr. Lady for a few years and the US has basically told Italy to go take a flying leap in a rolling doughnut (just trying to be polite here).  That might suggest that the US might not give up Amanda either.

It probably comes down to who the President and Secretary of State are when the request comes.  I doubt that even with slow Italian Justice that the request would not come well before the new President takes office in January, 2017.

Hi Gonzaga

You could be right, it might come down to who the President and Secretary of State are when the request comes. Still, I wonder if such quid pro quo deliberations come into issues regarding extradition? I suspect as Peter Q. has said here (if I remember correctly) governments don’t typically exercise their minds over extradition for murder charges especially at the cost of damage to international relationships. However, whistle-blowers and Intelligence personnel do concern them deeply and no doubt they bring pressure to bear internationally in these cases.

Incidentally, this might be of interest:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/germany-should-honour-its-debt-and-offer-nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-asylum-8722923.html

Hi Gonzaga and Odysseus

I don’t believe it’s ‘European Countries’ per se; really it’s just Russia. Snowden is some sort of idealistic innocent similar I would suggest to Burgess Blunt and McLean with Kim Philby pulling the strings. However time has moved on since then so for Snowden to even try to get to Iceland or Bolivia might take some doing. But as Odysseus has suggested murder is another thing altogether and as the USA becomes less xenophobic (If that’s at all possible) then Knox will stand less and less chance as time goes by. The Italian courts will not let this one alone due to their view (rightly so) that a foreign national was murdered on their turf by another foreign national. Bad for business. Even then Knox will only be free when she finally dies.

I would say Amanda Knox has absolutely no political value at all to the US government.
Zero.
Zilcho.
Nada.
Of course, her family and fans think she is the most important American of the 21st century - which to most if not all normal people is (to borrow one of Raffy’s oft used words) absurd.

To think the US government is going to enter into some kind of political battle/tug of war over a convicted murderer is equally as absurd.

Hi DF2K
Yes you’re right of course. However I can’t help saying that Knox has no value as a human being anyway. (Sorry can’t help the comment) Her inner circle sic; is getting smaller by the day only to reappear after the P/R bunch gets going again. Speaking of which they must be at the very least pissed off by now since the cash keeps on running out. The only way to revitalize Knox from their point of view is to send her back to face trial. Make no mistake it’s all about the money. As to her family I’m reminded of an old English phrase used to describe such people….
“Inferior Breading Stock.”

There is no shortage of gullible people. I read last week that Joran van der Sloot is engaged (in prison) to one of his last victim’s countrywomen. Or is it just an attraction to danger?

Oh, come on folks. Anyone is entitled to go and study abroad, freelance or in an organized program as long as they can afford it. It is not as if Knox was getting taxpayer funds for her independent study, and the best way to learn a language is total immersion with natives of that country.

The problem is that Knox got mixed up in a murder. That is what she is on trial for.

In my experience it requires self-discipline and a reasonably structured, secure lifestyle if one really wishes to master a language.

@Domingo, the problem is not that she was learning language in a foreign country without a structure. Nobody is judging her for it. She or anybody is, as you say, free to learn whatever they want, in whatever way they want. The problem is that a lot of her supporters try to present a false picture to the world in the hope of making it appear as if she was a linguistic scholar trying to save Italian language from extinction. I am sick of idiotic people presenting the same argument “an honor student who was on a serious study program cannot commit murder”. I cannot comment on whether or not she was an honor student, but as this article proves, she most definitely was not on any serious scholarly mission, and so the argument does not hold any water. If she and her supporters stop pretending and trying to use it as another weapon in their shield, then nobody would be bothered with it.

Hi Domingo

Sure, a year off for total immersion can be a good thing. But as Sara observes, Knox herself doesnt claim that is what she was doing. See the first quote at the top.

“She told the Italians she planned to stay until December or January, but when the girls insisted that would be too short for a real contract, she said she would stay until June.” (Burleigh p.67-68) - I wish Burleigh would have followed up on this.

Seemingly on a whim Knox signed the lease through June, when most likely her visa/residence permit expired at the end of December or at the latest the end of January (although Autumn quarter ended in December, students had a gracious one month period to pass their exams).

Of course in her book, Knox claims she was planning to study there one year, then spend the summer in a creative writing course in Rome.

I think exposing the lies about her academic intentions goes a long way to identifying Knox’s motive. Knox was living on lies in Perugia, funded for one academic quarter but representing to others to be there for a full year, perhaps longer. At the time of the murder, the legs on those lies were growing short.

ps Does anyone have a copy of Knox’s visa or residence permit?

All of this seems rather spooky ,though. A girl with a troubled past decides to severe all ties with her home, family and university temporarily and drift to Europe under the pretense of studying something she doesn´t actually care about. She achieves nothing and disrupts the lives of Meredith and all the other students who wre genuinely committed to pursuing their careers in Perugia. She doesn´t enjoy herself and stops others from enjoying themselves . Then she angrily murders her roommate about whom she never really cared ,either. Knox was headed for nothingness in 2007 and she still is six years later.

Where next:

Or to next entry Multiple Provably False Claims About “Forced Confession” A Problem For Knox

Or to previous entry For Multiple False Accusations, Knox Book Won’t Be Sold In UK Or Italy