Monday, February 05, 2018

Another Of Many “They Really DID Do It” Cases Where Suspicions Only Grow

Posted by Peter Quennell

Several dozen new videos like these have gone online in this year alone.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 02/05/18 at 07:27 PM in The legal followupsThe wider contextsN America context


I must say the latest ploy, that Knox was slut-shamed, amused me.  The Knox 1.0 we saw from 2007 to 2009 was pretty well only boys and good times and drugs. That was HER act. SHE put herself across incessantly as less than responsible. Including right in front of the 2009 jury.

She herself brought up her drug use (though falling far short of the full story). She herself wrote up her list of sex partners. It was her own defense that circulated it.  Sollecito and his defense emanated disdain for her - if anyone was slut-shaming, he was. Sollecito himself has posted some or all of her diary. And Bongiorno likened her to Jessica Rabbit, a model of a backhanded compliment.

The Italian course Knox enrolled in could have been done in Seattle. But boys and good times and drugs, half a world away from adult supervision, with zero serious studying ...  Yum yum. No wonder poor hard-working open-minded Italy can get mildly exasperated in face of too many Knoxes on these lines.

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Posted by Peter Quennell on 02/06/18 at 06:57 AM | #

Amanda Knox has written an article for Marie Claire about being targeted by the media:

She is determined to keep herself in the public eye, so she can revel in the attention. She is obscene beyond words - she is an evil and utterly loathsome woman. She belongs in the same hall of infamy as other sadistic sex killers such as Myra Hindley and Rosemary West.

Posted by The Machine on 02/06/18 at 10:47 PM | #

Tks Machine.

Marie Claire actually specializes somewhat in the kind of celebrity bashing that Knox is wailing about!

Here is an article titled “Celebrity Bashing at Retail” which refers to the tabloids at US supermarket checkout counters. Marie Claire is among them.

I scan several dozen sites daily (mainly for other purposes) and Marie-Claire never seems to show up anywhere. The UK Evening Standard posted this about the UK edition last year.

Marie Claire, the women’s glossy with the fastest-falling circulation, is slashing its cover price, trimming its format, and saturating its opening pages with celebrity features that could be straight from Heat.

The magazine is very far down the rankings of publications for numerous other countries also on Wikipedia. I dont see the hugging of Knox as doing anything to reverse that.


  It is a Hearst publication - Hearst publishes the Seattle PI Online which carried Andrea Vogt - and Candace Dempsey.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 02/06/18 at 11:52 PM | #

Nice catch, Machine,

An interesting trend I notice in Knox’s various ‘‘biographies’‘: not only is the (1) calunnia routinely omitted entirely; and (2) 3 attempts at bail omitted entirely—Matteini/Ricciarelli/Cassation; but it is becoming common to leave the 2009 Massei trial out as well.  In the above article, it implies that Hellmann’s ‘‘exoneration’’ was the first major verdict.

Not only does the evidence ‘‘disappear’’ over time, but apparently entire courts do as well.

I wonder how much she was paid to lie her ass off in Ireland.

Just a cynical theory I am entertaining: Perhaps AK acts like a psycho on purpose during these speakings in order to make herself more controversial.  Let the real her drip out for marketing purposes.  Ideas?

Posted by Chimera on 02/07/18 at 12:45 AM | #

To me,  Amanda Knox is like an out of control rottweiler whose leash has been thrown away by many people.

Posted by DavidB on 02/07/18 at 11:14 AM | #


“Just a cynical theory I am entertaining: Perhaps AK acts like a psycho on purpose during these speakings in order to make herself more controversial.  Let the real her drip out for marketing purposes.”

I think DavidB has it right. Intended or unintended, she is slipping the Knox 2.0 leash and it is making everyonel close to her pretty tense. Knox 1.0 which is where I think she is headed back to was a real handful for them, remember her own lawyers complained about her out loud.

One thing her lawyers did NOT want was the interrogation by Mignini on 17 Dec 2007 which SHE asked for. Until the PR and lawyers blitzkreiged Mignini early in 2008 Knox was pretty chummy toward him.

Now she is talking being willing to face interrogation again. This RTE interview came as close as we have seen to hard questions and though most online commenters think it was a big fail, in her confused mind it could be a plus.

Remember Knox 1.0 on the stand in mid 2009? Same two reactions. Almost universally seen at least in Italy as a big fail and THE reason for the finding of guilt on the calunnia. And yet all her fervent enablers were saying “terrific show!”

If all this is right then the truth stands to gain from more interviews and maybe we should not want them to go away.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 02/07/18 at 07:00 PM | #

Knox latches on to the Me-Too movement. She sides with Asia Argento thus bashing Harvey Weinstein as a predator, when Knox herself is a predator who helped degrade Meredith. Knox went further than the horrible, revolting Weinstein did, he never killed a woman. Knox did, according to two courts anyway before her lies and luck helped her escape the noose. Now she is very concerned about her good girl reputation yet plays the friend to all sluts and their causes. “Don’t delegitimize my victimhood!” Knox shrieks. It’s twisted but anything for publicity, right.

Knox is aggrieved with Renato Farina who writing for “Libero” attacked Asia Argento for her late lament and lies. Farina said that “surrendering to a boss’s advances to make a career is prostitution not rape.” Knox quotes Farina who opines that Asia Argento is “a lying prostitute” who “cares more for her career than for her dignity.” Oh that burns Knox up, perhaps because it’s what Knox is doing.

Asia Argento was run out of Italy by their victim blaming, as Argento likes to see it. Farina said, “First they give it away, then they whine and pretend to repent.” Knox quotes this verbatim, it burns her up probably because it’s what she has done. So it seems has Argento who went willingly to a hotel room to give Weinstein his requested massage and then said she took advantage of her. However, Ronan Farrow in “New Yorker” said that Argento later maintained a consensual sexual relationship with Weinstein long after the alleged “attack”. Twenty years later Argento bashes Weinstein for her own acquiescence, trying to frame his persuasions as a violent act. She even admits that she feels responsible because “if I were a strong woman I would have kicked him in the balls and run away. But I didn’t. And I felt responsible.” She’s right, she consented and then later repented. It’s wrong to call that a forcible rape. It completely differs from women who have been physically overpowered and aggressively attacked. It does their cause a grave disservice.

On Facebook writer Selvaggio Lucarelli said that the Weinstein scandal is a lost chance to “speak out about reprehensible male habits but also of the women who put up with them.”

Argento was age 21 when she fell for Weinstein’s pressure at a hotel on the French Riviera. No doubt she was terrified of his axing her career if she didn’t agree to his desires, but that was a test of character and a choice. Weinstein sounds like a tremendously disgusting person and a manipulator, but his immorality would not get far without the same low morals of the women he tries to influence.

I feel very sorry for Asia Argento. It seems her father was neglectful and dismissive, using her for the camera as he directed horror films (literally). She tried to gain his worthless attention and it twisted her and made her feel valueless. She later acted out, and continues to do so but regrets it, then casts the blame on the male. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

The Me-Too movement has opened a Pandora’s box and it ain’t pretty. Knox wants to hijack its energy with her “look at me” gambit as always. Now SHE is a victim. Well, I believe she is honest in some way, maybe she truly was sexually abused as a child which caused her to want to degrade and offend Meredith in a similar way. Knox turns a blind eye to that act and the worse act, the murder of Meredith. Knox by now has done so many mental gyrations to feel good about herself that she may choose to forget her own wrongdoing in order to recall her own true victimization as a child and feels she has the right to stand against sexual abuse.

Posted by Hopeful on 02/07/18 at 11:43 PM | #

New York has been on yet another of its pro-Italy pro-Baroque binges. A huge exhibition on Michelangelo at the Metropolitan Museum has drawn tens of thousands. What geniuses that country produced.

Handel and Scarlatti along with Bach, Vivaldi and several others were masters of the musical Baroque. Handel then of the UK was unbeatable when it came to the organ and chorales, but here he succumbs to Italy’s Scarlatti on harpsichord (musical playoffs were quite common back then, it is how Beethoven first made his name).

Scarlatti is the one with the moustach and one can see in Comments that he sure made a lot of viewers laugh. They also competed on the organ; Handel won.

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Posted by Peter Quennell on 02/10/18 at 05:54 PM | #

Hopeful especially might like this. The Baroque which flowed out of Italy was a great liberating force for women in music and the arts.

Here is a funny little play recorded in Prague in which a mom really found herself promoted in a hurry!

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Posted by Peter Quennell on 02/10/18 at 06:33 PM | #

When I get YouTube capability back I’ll enjoy Handel v. Scarlatti. Italy has produced superior art and music. They have an unerring sense of beauty and liveliness. My mother was a very gifted pianist. Her record collection of Blue Danube, Swan Lake on the old 78s of the classical composers filled the modest living room with music. In junior high school I’d dance around to it in games of pretend.

The new witness in the mysterious death of Natalie Wood and perhaps a new look at the bruises on her body by more recent expertise, shows how time brings truth to light. Oh, the gorgeous Natalie Wood. She just glowed, and had a sweetness and kindness in her face. There’s an Orthodox cross on her grave marker, probably from her Russian mother’s faith. I placed a military issue Orthodox cross like soldiers wear on their dogtags at my father’s grave because he always read Dostoevsky. Natalie Wood’s strange fear of water and the gypsy warning that she should avoid dark water, is most disturbing in light of her death. Her fears resonate with me because I used to have dreams of giant ocean waves crashing over me and drowning me. At risk of boring repetition, I repeat that a Christian woman on a train traveling with me from a Women’s Aglow conference in the early 80s in Berchtesgaden, Germany laid hands on me and prayed to end those dreams and the truth is I have never had one since. Many summers swimming in the sea as a child gave me a tremendous respect or fear of the power of riptides, heavy currents and tall waves that surfers tackle.

Natalie Woods almost drowned while filming a scene for a movie, she was a brave one. So sad to think Robert Wagner possibly beat or killed her, or in malice neglected to get help when she might have been saved. Someone may spill the beans before death, either Wagner, Christopher Walken or the boat captain.

Posted by Hopeful on 02/11/18 at 02:05 AM | #

In the Darcy interview AK says, “I want to emphasize, I’m not an expert on Meredith. I knew her for over a month, 10 years ago”.

Why the need to distance herself? An innocent person would just come out and tell it how it is.

Posted by DavidB on 02/12/18 at 02:29 AM | #

Hi Hopeful

Natalie Wood was exactly like that. There have been a few mystery Hollywood deaths but this is the only one I know of that reverberates on and on. Robert Wagner has never got out from under it in 35 YEARS (a point of the post) and at minimum seems to have exchanged words with her and known she was in the sea and consciously let her be.

This looks more and more like the endgame for Knox. Wherever comment threads are allowed on media sites now, the negativity to Knox only grows and grows. We send out a tweet or two, but otherwise we are not the direct cause.

However the Wiki and TJMK finally represent a really damning case against her now, and NOT ONE WORD of rebuttal, anyone notice that? There have been more here than usual reading for long periods, and every time Knox is big in the news, that peaks. Seems Knox is the direct cause.


Respect for bodies of water? Tell me about it! The Sandy Hurricane in 2012 drove a single high tide maybe 20 feet above normal. Flooding all around. Still that hurts. We have a key subway tunnel to Brooklyn just taken out of action for 2-3 years of repairs, and the only rail tunnel for east coast lines under the Hudson is in very bad shape.

(The highest tides in the world happen several hundred miles up the coast, in the Bay of Fundy, some 40-50 feet, because of a bathtub effect. More water flows in and out of that bay each tide than the flow of all rivers on earth. It is awesome to see. There’s a narrow point near the top of the bay where the tide roars like a waterfall.)



Posted by Peter Quennell on 02/12/18 at 05:43 PM | #

Oh yeah, give Knox enough rope and she’ll hang herself. Every time she speaks it will drive traffic to this website and to Meredith Kercher Wiki by the thousands who question her story or her demeanor. Knox herself will generate interest in this site every time she thinks she’s putting out fires, the flames of doubt about her innocence will only leap higher.

Knox the big mouth is the best ad campaign for and TJMK with her thin story and defensive puffery. Many who hear her in person will thirst for details on “the other side of the story”. They’ll use the cyber bridge to make tracks to these sites. TJMK will disabuse them of Knox’s fantasies and lies.

Rebuttal? Who can rebut the truth? Knox fans have no leg to stand on. They may quote the Supreme Court acquittal and Yes, she is legally innocent and free to live her life but even the Italian Supreme Court places her at the scene of death in same ruling they say Rudy had accomplices. So the high court itself has opened the door to valid speculation that if Knox were at the crime scene, couldn’t she have been one of the accomplices?

Italy’s Supreme Court itself opens the door for that debate. They hanged her as much as released her. Like Robert Wagner who people have had reason to doubt for 35 years, truth has a way of sticking.

Posted by Hopeful on 02/12/18 at 10:40 PM | #


So Knox tells Ireland that she knew Meredith only for a month, 10 years ago, yet on the anniversary, she refers to her as ‘‘my big sister’‘.

Nothing like a little inconsistency here ....

Posted by Chimera on 02/13/18 at 12:56 AM | #

Most TJMK regulars realise that Italy’s Supreme Court (SCC) consists of 396 Justices in Rome and elsewhere, operating in panels, typically of 5 Justices.
Because this is so radically different from SCOTUS and its U.K. equivalent, which have only 9 Justices, many readers may not know this significant difference.
May I suggest that when we refer to SCC we write something like this: “This Italian Panel of 5 of its 396 SCC Justices…”?

Posted by Cardiol MD on 02/13/18 at 01:32 AM | #

Good point Cardiol.

Not a good system. Five out of 396. We dont have a post entirely on that. (Hint!)(Or in Chimera’s comparison series if you like.)

The intention when this was brought in was good but the automatic appeals act against justice as in this case, not pro.

And it is not necessarily 5 judges well-informed on the law or the case. Marasca-Bruno was a perfect example of that.

(1) Two POLITICAL appointees who would never have made it up the career path.

(2) Neither had ever handled a murder which requires a holistic way of looking at evidence.

(3) Bruno presented the prosecution case - without even meeting Mignini or Crini from lower courts.

(4) He apparently wrote the entire report by himself, which became months overdue.

(5) For all we know even Marasca did not read a single court doc, and the other judges maybe had no input at all.

The current post-Renzi government has been pressing ahead on many reforms but not yet a biggie like this. .

In the current election the Five Star party looks most likely to DO reforms, though all the parties say they will.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 02/13/18 at 01:56 AM | #

Pete, “Five out of 396. We dont have a post entirely on that. (Hint!)”

But c.f.  Friday, April 10, 2015

Which Includes that fact, although it is not only on that.

Posted by Cardiol MD on 02/13/18 at 02:29 AM | #

Chimera, if only the interviewer had shown that.

Posted by DavidB on 02/13/18 at 12:03 PM | #

We must not get into inaccuracies. The State was represented by the Prosecutor General, Mario Pinelli.

Bruno was the Reporting Judge and a panel member. It was his function to present at the outset, in open court, the history of the case, previous findings, the pros and cons of argument and, one might add, to do so within the limits of the Supreme Court’s legitimate remit.

He did not present the prosecution case. Indeed, it seems, he did not bother to do so at all.

Once again it seems the case was pre-determined as Bruno repeated Hellmann’s famous phrase that the case “had not many certainties beyond the girl’s death and the definitively convicted” (a reference, of course, to Guede).

In view of the fact finding that had already twice occurred, and before the panel had even sat to formally consider the appeal, the remark was certainly surprising. As we now know the phraseology was code for an acquittal.

I do wonder about the role of the Reporting Judge. It seems to me to be an influential, indeed pivotal, role open to abuse. How often, I wonder, does a panel slap it’s reporting Judge down? It’s obviously where, if there is a political dimension, the fix can go in.

If Bruno was confident about an acquittal he obviously struggled to justify it. He took twice as long as allowed to write it, and what he produced was an aggressive, illogical, petulant, obfuscatory and dogmatic tract that broke just about every rule in the book.

Very embarrassing for the Italian judiciary and, as it happens, for Knox and Sollecito as well.

Posted by James Raper on 02/13/18 at 12:44 PM | #

Oh, yes, apologies to Mr Pinelli. On Bruno you are really cooking there James, at times you do make me laugh. Bongiorno was reported shocked at the March 2015 verdict and the report must have added to that.

You and Cardiol are so right on the top court not being very hierarchical and rules not much enforced from above. Here in May Mignini set out what the rules are, and I wonder if this that zapped Bruno’s confidence at the time.

Remember Galati? I guess not many people do. Like Pinelli he was a Cassation prosecutor with an excellent reputation. He was reassigned to Perugia (actually to Umbria) as Prosecutor General in 2010, and signed the state’s appeal. Tho Mignini and Comodi were openly frustrated at Hellman, Galati advised that the First Chambers would do all the corrections necessary - as they did.

But what a pity the First Chambers report did not have a simple sentence saying that the Nencini appeal court must report back to them. It was just presumed.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 02/13/18 at 06:59 PM | #

Cardiol reminds me of the four “prequel” checklist posts on Cassation 2015. Here again is Part 1.

He posted this series after Cassation’s March 2015 hearing at about the same time as Mignini’s team was writing his prequel.

Lovely work. Rate Bruno against it? I guess not. I dont know of anyone who finds Bruno an enjoyable read.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 02/13/18 at 07:41 PM | #

For our record this is the breaking news box which was at the top for the past few days.

Tip for media: Knox’s anti-media whine-fest in Marie Claire fully explained by real panic over just how much the destructive defamer has to hide. Keep digging into this, maybe biggest hoax in legal history, all driven by $$$ and bigotry.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 02/15/18 at 02:58 AM | #

Pete, If the ruling of a majority of 3 of the 5 Justices of 1 SCC Panel of the 396 SCC Justices is equivalent in Legal Finality to the ruling of a majority of 5 of the 9 SCOTUS Justices, this is analogous to assigning Legal Finality to the ruling of 1/132th of the whole SCC !

Even if the SCC panel had to be unanimous it would be analogous to assigning Legal Finality to the ruling of 1/79th of the whole SCC !  The ruling of one Judge in 79 would supersede the ruling of the other 78…....?

Is something “rotten” in the State of Italy?

Posted by Cardiol MD on 02/15/18 at 12:10 PM | #

True except in intent! It’s all intended to aid fairness.

Pre WWII Italy had passed through a spasm of deep unfairness and set out to tilt things VERY pro-defendant, with more tilting subsequently by politicians. So too much ends up in the laps of these “gods”.

At the same time the Chambers are specialized and very competent in their areas. They have to report in writing, and bad law has a heavy effect on their careers. A lot of what they do is put right foolish developments at second level (first appeal level, eg Hellman) and after the bent appointments of both Hellman and the DNA consultants they put the process back on the rails with Nencini.

I would eliminate juries at 2nd level above all (solutions looking for problems) and the massive abuse of the system by politician-lawyers like Bongiorno - who chaired the Parliament’s Justice Committee and had a major say in the budgets for the entire police, courts and prisons.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 02/15/18 at 10:51 PM | #
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