Tuesday, March 26, 2013

More Pervasive Myths We Will Nail In Our Various Hoaxes Series In Due Course

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We hope you made it through those amazing Powerpoints on the case for guilt introduced in the post directly below.

We have created around two dozen other Powerpoints also. Here are all Kermit’s Powerpoints and here are all other Powerpoints.

Below are summaries of some more key and very pervasive myths which you can easily spot in today’s media in the US and UK (though never in Italy) which we will nail in depth soon in other longer posts.

The real hard truths can all already be found here on TJMK if you search for them. Please feel free to email us if you need some quick guidance.

1) That Knox and Sollecito maybe face a “retrial”

Rubbish. At most they face a re-run, done properly, of a poorly managed, legally and scientifically incompetent, and highly biased first appeal. It SHOULD look like any US or UK appeal: limited, fast, focusing only on a few points, no consultants, no witnesses, no attempt to run a new first-level trial.

2) That any such “retrial” is a case of double jeopardy

Rubbish. Under Italian law Knox and Sollecito still stand accused of murder and other crimes until the final appeal court (in this case the Supreme Court) signs off, so they were NEVER found “innocent, end of story” at first appeal level. There’s no question of double jeopardy; and the exact-same rules apply in the US.

3) That Amanda Knox was forced into “confessing”

Rubbish. This is the misleading label for her framing of Patrick Lumumba. She spilled the beans fast and vociferously (and repeatedly) after Sollecito who was being interrogated in another room sold her out and said she had made him tell lies. Interrogations were short, she had an interpreter, she was not interrogated as a suspect without a lawyer, and she had refreshments.

4) That all the DNA evidence was thrown out by Hellmann

Rubbish. Hellmann (who is now edged out in disgrace) and Zanetti were not criminal judges, and this was their first DNA case. They were totally at sea. By innuendo, two consultants, illegally appointed and ill qualified, tried to make out there was possible contamination. They proved nothing. They ADMITTED Meredith’s DNA was on the big knife and that Sollecito’s DNA was on the bra clasp. There was lots of other incriminating DNA evidence outside Meredith’s door.

5) That “the” prosecutor was rogue, satanist, and out of control.

Rubbish. The lead prosecutor at trial (Mignini) is straight as an arrow and very admired, and has no interest in satanism. His work was checked by a co-prosecutor, other prosecutors, and many judges. He is in line for a major promotion, and has no dark cloud hanging over his head. The Supreme Court TWICE came down strongly in his favor in the part several weeks, and he is about to be promoted to Deputy Chief Prosecutor for the Province of Umbria.

Final warning:

Disregard everything coming from ABC, CNN, and any Seattle TV station. They are highly biased for commercial reasons, they don’t know the case, and they have essentially been serial-lying to the American public.

Posted by Our Main Posters on 03/26/13 at 11:06 AM in Hoaxes against Italy,  2 Italian mileu hoax,  4 No firm DNA hoax,  9 Mignini v Knox hoax,  Hoaxes Knox & team,  16 Interrogation hoax,  23 Two trials hoax

Comments

H&Z overturned!
True justice for Meredith Kercher!!

Posted by DF2K on 03/26/13 at 12:07 PM | #

FANTASTIC NEWS!!

Bravo Italy - true justice for Meredith Kercher!

Hurrah!!

Posted by thundering on 03/26/13 at 12:22 PM | #

What a great news to wake ip to. So relieved. Hope there is true justice for Meredith soon.  Thinking of her and her family as i type this. It will be fascinating to see reactions and the fate of AK’s planned interview next month.

Posted by Sara on 03/26/13 at 01:39 PM | #

Now the legal status of Knox and Sollecito is as in 2009. They stand convicted for murder in first degree, and are awaiting appeal.

The Hellmann - Zanetti verdict has been annulled.
The trial was never legitimate; legally, it means an appeal never took place; the acquittal never existed. Possibly, the status will be has been legally no Vechiotti-Conti report, nothing of the appeal events.

The starting point of the Florence appeal will be the Massei conclusions.
Any discussion will start - as it should have - based on the presumption of the procedural correctness of the 1st instance trial.

That means - contrarily all to what Hellmann did - if they think something was wrong in the 1st degree reasoning, like if they want to re-test single pices of evience or DNA, they will have to explain why, through legitimately motivated ordnances.

Posted by Yummi on 03/26/13 at 04:00 PM | #

It is by giving that one receives
It is by forgiving that one is forgiven
It is by loving that one is loved
It is by dying that one awakens to eternal life.

MK, now is the time to rise above the daily pettiness. Achieve greatness. You have no enemies- they all have been vanquished.

Posted by chami on 03/26/13 at 04:19 PM | #

Thanks everyone for all you’ve done. Thanks especially to Pete, and Yummi for your Italian legal expertise.

So good to wake up to this news today! I found it out from TJMK - it was the first place I logged on to.

Under point #2, I’d like to revise a little the way it’s expressed:

2) That any such “retrial” is a case of double jeopardy

Under Italian law, even after their release, Knox and Sollecito still stood accused of murder and other crimes until the final appeal court (the Supreme Court, or Court of Cassation as it’s called in Italy) signed off, so they were never found “innocent, end of story” at the first appeal level. There’s no question of double jeopardy, as their trial had not yet been reviewed by the Supreme Court (the Court of Cassation) in Italy, not until March 25, 2013. In the US, the Supreme Court likewise can review criminal cases, although it usually doesn’t. In Italy, such a review is always required. Thus, in some ways, the Italian system is much more careful than the US system.

And as Yummi said, and as no US news network (except perhaps the NYTimes?) has gotten right yet, AK & RS now stand, legally, in exactly the position they did after the first verdicts in December 2009. They are convicted of the murder of Meredith, her sexual assault, and AK of the calunnia of Lumumba.

They go back to the first appeal level now. This level, in Italy, is required, unlike in the US, where it usually only happens when the defense can prove legal reasons for it to happen. In Italy, it ALWAYS happens. The Italian system is very careful, and usually slow as a result (one of the bad side effects), and also careful in that a report is required of every court. In this instance, this report, the Hellmann-Zanetti report, was what enabled the Court of Cassation to look at that court’s reasoning, and find fault with it.

So, I probably should have said, two paragraphs back, that AK & RS now stand *provisionally* convicted of of the murder and sexual assault of Meredith Kercher. But how many news sources in the US will even tell you that?

Similarly, how many have been saying “provisionally acquitted” for the past year and a half.

Slim to none.

The reporting on this sad saga in the US has been dismal.

Justice for Meredith.

Posted by Earthling on 03/27/13 at 03:23 AM | #

On my cell phone, I read the CNN version, and they did not address the issues, but promoted the same party line story about the cute young Knox. NOT fact driven journalism.

Thanks for pointing out the rubbish and, sadly, the lack of truthful reporting in Amerika.

Posted by Bettina on 03/27/13 at 06:43 AM | #

Can’t wait for the series! The public is finally starting to wake up to the facts, thanks to TJMK 😊

Posted by devorah on 03/27/13 at 07:32 AM | #

Another myth now appearing is that “the US authorities” will never allow Knox to be extradited to Italy. What authorities would these be? ABC, CNN, Marriott, Heavey, Cantwell and Trump?

Posted by James Raper on 03/27/13 at 02:03 PM | #
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