Thursday, July 15, 2010

Could Michael Heavey’s Muddled Stance Be Facilitating Future Killers?

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Is Heavey’s Muddled Stance Dangerous?

Michael Heavey presumably doesn’t think so.

Read this post on TJMK and this post on The Examiner.

You will see that Judge Heavey is STILL framing this as a case of an Italian justice system intent on railroading Amanda Knox; and he as the White Knight that rides to her rescue.

But is Heavey turning a blind eye to a troubled mind?

But let Judge Heavey read Lilly’s post below and the comment thread directly underneath, about psychologically troubled potential killers, and the ways in which they can be detected and even prevented.

Then let Judge Heavey tell us if he still feels he got the framing of the problem just right. We reckon the real framing of the case should be as follows.

MEREDITH’S DEATH WAS TOTALLY PREVENTABLE. Many people in Seattle KNEW Knox was a loose canon. Meredith Kercher did NOT have to die.

Amanda Knox was for many years putting out warning signals in Seattle that all was not well in her hard wiring. Maybe it was something Amanda was born with, or maybe, as the first symptoms seemed to surface right after, it was something to do with the extreme family trauma of her parents’ ugly divorce and the ugly aftermath that followed.

Imagine if Knox’s family and her friends and her teaching faculty in Seattle had more forcefully stepped in to HELP her whenever she acted peculiar. And had prevented her from getting more and more into hard drugs. And had not sent her off to Perugia unstructured, unsupervised, under-funded, and still on drugs.

Would Meredith be in her grave and Amanda Knox in prison right now?

Amanda Knox is far from alone in putting out psychological warning signals. Each time there is a mass killing in the US we hear more about this.

If the books on charming psychopaths and the clinical psychologists have this right, there are literally millions in the US alone that have the defective hard wiring to kill in the “right” circumstances.

Many of them put out warning signs, often for many years. In their own way, perhaps, cries for help.

The Virginia Tech case reported in the video above is a lot more extreme than Meredith’s, and in fact there 32 people died. But the two cases have this one thing in common. In each case, responsible people KNEW there were ominous symptoms in the one who turned to killing.

They did not act sufficiently. And Meredith and 32 other people about her own age died. 

Court officers like Judge Heavey should presumably be encouraging universal consciousness of such warning signals, and protecting the wider public from future killers above all.

Not deflecting public attention from that vital need, and onto to a rampaging Italian justice system that exists only in his own mind.




Comments

Perhaps Ted Simon should be pondering such issues as well. And David Marriot. And Oprah. And [on and on].

Posted by Peter Quennell on 07/15/10 at 07:51 PM | #

He wrote “I also do not understand the reluctance of Italians to admit they may have been wrong. The humility to admit error publicly in our country is a great attribute.”...

Well, look who is talking now? I would love to see HIS humility to admit error publicly and would applaude HIS country’s great attribute!

Posted by Patou on 07/15/10 at 08:51 PM | #

Meredith Kercher suffered a torturous, brutal and agonizing death.

Three years have since past and three murderers have been justly convicted in the Italian court of law.

And yet, this case continues to be highly sanitized and misreported in the United States and abroad.

Who are the enablers and facilitators of Amanda Knox?

Who are the enablers and facilitators that harshly condemned the parents of a US Balloon Boy?

Who are the enablers and facilitators that remain shamelessly subservient to the parents of Amanda Knox?

And WHEN will these enablers and facilitators serve justice, in the court of public opinion, to Meredith Kercher?

Posted by True North on 07/15/10 at 10:04 PM | #

Killer Amanda Knox receives 300 fan letters a month: report

bad things happen to good people…. gag me.

Posted by mojo on 07/16/10 at 09:30 PM | #

Well Mojo, I just do not believe it.

Oggi did not interview Amanda, if not they would have an “exclusive picture”, which they don’t. They probably interviewed Edda who needs pocket money. Edda is trying to present her side of the story, Amanda has a fan club, people know Amanda is not guilty, Amanda does not know why she is accused of her “friend” Meredith’s death and so forth…

I read instead that the Perugian Police that investigated the crime has received an award! Yes, an award! That’s good news. I guess Edda will not brag about this one ...

Posted by Patou on 07/16/10 at 09:48 PM | #

Hi Mojo. This is the White Knight syndrome. Another documented mental disturbance.  Apparently gives them a rush. Makes them feel important. The worst cases positively reek of self-importance. Rare that they make any difference.

And hi Patou. Thanks. Our poster the Machine was onto that award to the police early today Europe time, and he has already drawn up an impressive list of the things the cops did right here. He will put the post up later today.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 07/16/10 at 09:55 PM | #

A further note on the White Knight syndrome.

Many of those who ridicule Oprah Winfrey do so on the grounds that she is playing to this latent syndrome in her mass audience. Her whole show is based on doing this. 

In fact it explains a lot about the perverse stance of the US media in general in this case. They are almost all over in that corner now. Battling over latent White Knights.

Along with the FOA websites.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 07/16/10 at 10:42 PM | #

Another “Where does Mandy get guts like that?” quote from Knox. Of course, these lines are translated from an article in an Italian magazine, so maybe they are not as bad as they appear, but this line stuns me:

“Here in jail I have understood that sometimes bad things happen to good people,”

So, Knox didn’t “understand” that bad things happen to good people, when her “friend” Meredith was brutally stabbed to death? Revealing.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/killer-amanda-knox-receives-300-fan-letters-a-month/story-e6frf7jx-1225892432681

I’d like to know more about this interview. I thought Knox was banned from giving interviews? Can someone explain? Thanks in advance.

Posted by Janus on 07/16/10 at 11:06 PM | #

Janus,

As I suspected, she hasn’t been interviewed at all. “Oggi”, in this article http://www.oggi.it/focus/07-2010/amanda-20482115077.shtml, says “we sent her these questions to answer”.

Of course the messenger was certainly sweet Edda.

And yes, she said that she understood bad things can happen to good people. For Meredith, it was just “s…t happen”, you remember?

We are happy to know that crazy Mandy is very spiritual and goes to mass… She will become a saint if we keep her shut long enough

Posted by Patou on 07/16/10 at 11:35 PM | #

Hello Peter,

Can you give some other examples of the “White Knight” syndrome in a legal case - other than the Knox case, I can’t recall off-hand anything like this fervor of the small-in-number Knox/FOA groupies. Their blatant disregard and distain for the legal process, court and jury system is stunning.

Is it because of a PR machine (David Marriot & Co) attached to the defense, whipping up emotions?

I don’t understand the mentality of the Knox groupies.

Posted by giustizia on 07/17/10 at 02:31 AM | #

Hi Giustizia. Yeah it does take some work at believing!

On examples: pick a prominent killer almost at random, and you will probably find white knights. Sean Penn and Susan Sarandon made a film about one (Dead Man Walking) and there have been others. Van Der Sloot has some fervent online supporters. Ted Bundy was sprung in part under the pressure of white knights - and then continued to kill. I might round up some more when I have time. Perhaps others can list some.

On fervor: I agree that the white knights here in this case are very few but very fervent. Narrowcasting on the internet is certainly fueling it. Perhaps they get some of it from Edda Knox and David Marriott; NYC media people tell us they each can be pretty nasty. Knox groupies perhaps seem particularly virulent because of their pervasive contempt for Italy, and their pervasive misunderstanding of the evidence as they dont work at understanding Italian testimony (a big mistake for them). I had a shock recently when I went googling phrases like Italian + anti-defamation; there is a lot of free-floating ethnic hatred. 

If this was a one-country crime, I bet you’d see nothing on this scale, and the VICTIM’S family or surrogates would typically be all over the TV. To us the worst of the worst are the fervent media spokespeople who have mindlessly picked a side and won’t let up. Geraldo Rivera is or was one, Jane Velez Mitchell another. They will all get the sentencing report from us when it is finally ready (it is really difficult to get just right but the team is getting there) and hopefully that is the last we hear from them.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 07/17/10 at 04:27 AM | #

@Peter,

It probably goes without saying, but make sure to send a copy each to Donald Trump, Oprah Winfrey and Candace Dempsey….Maybe a copy should be sent to Edda and Curt, too???  Or will Ted Simon show them his copy?

Posted by Mo-in-Mass.,USA on 07/17/10 at 03:06 PM | #

7/17/10

OT: I am extremely glad to hear AK is attending mass in prison. If she were to become born again and filled with the Holy Spirit, it would be the best possible outcome. There would be real change, real attitude change, and if it were a true conversion of the spirit it would bear fruit that could not be condemned. If it’s just a charade of jailhouse religion and another user’s game, that would manifest eventually. We don’t have to worry about God being mocked, “whatever a man sows, he reaps.” Sow real, get real. Sow fake, get fake. God’s no respecter of persons. Anyone who follows his way will be rewarded. What’s he’s done for others he’ll do for you. That’s justice.

Posted by Hopeful on 07/17/10 at 07:00 PM | #

Hopeful, I have the feeling that this mass thing is just a way to gain sympathies. If she were really that spiritual, she would stop lying. She would come out clean, whatever the sin is. She would want to start new.

She just wants coating.

Posted by Patou on 07/17/10 at 09:04 PM | #

Hi Hopeful & Patou,

You are both so correct.

Behavioral studies of killers with psychopathic traits, like Amanda Knox, have shown that they wear different masks in order to manipulate their varied audiences.

Margaret Wente, who was a Globe and Mail columnist, had this to say about convicted Canadian killer, Karla Homolka, while she was serving her sentence in an Ontario prison:

“Nothing has changed. Concepts of remorse, repentance, shame, responsibility and atonement have no place in the universe of Karla. Perhaps she simply lacks the moral gene”.

Like, killer Karla Homolka, Amanda Knox evidently lacks the moral gene.

Posted by True North on 07/18/10 at 02:00 AM | #

The religious bit is just yet another way for Knox to play the sympathy card.

She knows it’s human instinct to root for the underdog. It’s the emotion every Hollywood movie plays on and turning herself into a martyr to arouse sympathy is her latest trick.

The fact is… she is still a murderer!

Posted by tempusfugit on 07/18/10 at 04:32 AM | #

Good post, Peter - I don’t understand what Heavey’s motivations are.

Knox is a narcissist - she believes she is the main character in her own movie. Nobody else matters - including Meredith, the young woman she murdered. Nobody else ever has mattered. It’s all me, me, me.

Knox wants attention so like True North says she is wearing her “innocent angel” mask to get people to notice her. Hence the religious attempts.

She doesn’t feel guilt. I hope she gets psychiatric treatment in prison.

Posted by lilly on 07/18/10 at 02:25 PM | #

As Patou said above, it’s not likely that AK did the Oggi interview, but rather, her mother Edda provided the answers.  Naturally her mother wants to put her in a good light, so she says that AK regularly attends mass.  More BS, as usual, from the Knox/Mellas dog and pony show.

Posted by Mo-in-Mass.,USA on 07/18/10 at 03:35 PM | #

Regarding psychology: It is worth re-visiting Knox’s prison diary - “Il mio diaro del prigione.” The pages that I read are very revealing in what Knox is concerned about - herself.

A diary by nature is supposed to be introspective, but in light of the circumstances, a brutal murder of a roomate that just occurred, and being arrested, makes this particular diary different.

For someone who prides herself on her smarts, there are no serious or repeated attempts by Knox to figure out and go over the details of what happened that night, who could possibly have targeted the house, Meredith or any of the girls that lived there, what alternative actions could have transpired so Meredith could have been saved or avoided her terrible fate.

There are no repeated, detailed thoughts or anguish to try to solve the mystery of the horror of what happened to Meredith.

Knox writes of Meredith as a “friend,” but there are no details of this friendship, or mention of people they met together or places they went to together where there could be a possible suspect. Knox’s acute powers of observation fall short in terms of noticing anyone who could be a possible suspect.

If Knox was indeed “confused” about that night, would it not be the natural action to pour over every action and conversation that she had with Meredith to try to come up with a suspect and solve this horrific crime?

Knox doesn’t elaborate on what she admired about Meredith. Knox does not detail grief regarding the fact that Meredith had such a horrible, senseless end.

If Knox had come across in her writing as being horrified and concerned, the defense attorneys would have made it a part of her defense case in court.

In her prison diary, Knox is prolific at superficial details in the description of her cell, prison food, and the weather but when it comes to remembering details of that tragic night, her sharp aptitude for observation and memory become dull and confused.

Of course, Knox falsely accused her boss Patrick Lumumba of the horrific murder, stating she saw him at her home, and saw him drag Meredith off into another room. But Knox does not mention a motive for Lumumba - as always, the night of the murder remains fuzzy and confused.

Any subject that is not about herself is light and glossed over.

Knox’s prison diary is a strange as her cartwheels at the police station.

Posted by giustizia on 07/18/10 at 06:10 PM | #

I have heard of the OGI “interview” with all the bull about yoga, religion, spirituality etc… but this one is new:
Apparently she is in touch with Raf according to the Daily News:

“One of Knox’s favorite pen pals? Raffaele Sollecito, her Italian ex-boyfriend, who was also found guilty of killing Kercher. The British student’s throat was slit after she allegedly refused to take part in a drug-fuelled sex session.”

“Sollecito is now serving 25 years in a different prison.”

“We often write to each other, we give each other strength,” Knox said. “We have ended up in a surreal affair that we still don’t understand but at least it unites us. The affection remains from the love we had.”

I wonder how much of this is true?!

Posted by tempusfugit on 07/19/10 at 02:56 AM | #

@tempusfugit

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it was true. Raffaele Sollecito seemed to depend more on Amanda Knox than vice versa. She on the other hand and with their appeals coming up, might be tempted to influence him so he doesn’t cut her lose. I see him more likely to admit guilt to get a lighter sentence than Amanda Knox. To communicate with him might be just one form of damage control and exercise the little influence that she might have left over him.

I remember Sollecito sr. saying in an interview that he cursed the day his son met Amanda Knox and there also have been transcripts from conversations between family members and Raffaele Sollecito published that show that his family was doing their lovely best to convince him to forget her. He sent her flowers for her first birthday in prison and from those attending the court sessions it was reported that she sometimes ignored him, while he was looking at her often.

Let’s hope he is going to be wiser this time and spill the beans. I don’t think it is likely as he would have to admit his own guilt. That is in my opinion what prevents all three convicts to speak out and say the truth, but for the family of Meredith Kercher I really hope it’s going to end soon and if they can get some closure about what happened, even better.

Posted by Nell on 07/19/10 at 05:13 AM | #

From what I read, the info about corresponding with Sollecito was part of the supposed OGGI interview and was redacted by the Daily News for their readers, though I, too, would not be surprised to find that it was true.  I do believe that Knox and Sollecito would most likely still be corresponding, partly to keep each other “in check”, i.e. cultivating friendship in the hope that the other doesn’t “spill the beans”.  Let’s hope that the possibility of a lowered sentence for whomever tells the truth at appeal is enough of an incentive for one or the other to throw the others under the bus.

Posted by Mo-in-Mass.,USA on 07/19/10 at 01:17 PM | #

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDZ_WS0-9oE

Posted by aethelred23 on 12/22/13 at 12:19 AM | #

I keep thinking about this old post on TJMK entitled ” Psychologically troubled potential killers” . What should be done to spot “psychologically
troubled potential killers”? Once we´ve spotted them ,what should be done to “help” them ? Tell them: “We´re very sorry but we will have to incarcerate you pre-emptively now because we think you might be a threat to the rest ? ”
If I were a teacher and had to confront a ” psychologically troubled potential killer ” , what would I have to do in order to help them? Tell him:” I am very sorry but I think you might be a threat to my good ,little , obedient students and please leave ?” We woild have to incarcerate ( i.e. punish them ) for somethimg they haven´t even done yet.

Posted by aethelred23 on 02/04/14 at 03:30 PM | #


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